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Meet the man standing to be a Labour party women’s officer

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busyboysmum · 22/05/2018 10:15

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/meet-the-man-standing-to-be-a-labour-party-womens-officer/

This is great - good on David Lewis. Shows the Labour Party's policy up for the nonsense it is.

If any man can say he's a woman and self identify as such.... I can't believe I am even typing these words.

It's just not possible to change your biological sex. Surely common sense is going to win through this madness?

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spontaneousgiventime · 22/05/2018 20:49

SupermatchGame You really are showing yourself up here aren't you. It was a typing error, I can only assume in your perfect world of rainbows, unicorns and men prancing in and out of women's protected spaces, you don't make them. How pleased I am to be human.

SupermatchGame · 22/05/2018 20:52

spontaneousgiventime yes I know and I have made mistakes as well. It just struck me as slightly funny.
(Small things amuse small minds etc).

Ereshkigal · 22/05/2018 20:52

So why is it that when you keep repeating the same thing over and over again it is ok, but when I respond (with a factually correct, legally verifiable response) you call it 'spamming' and 'obnoxious'?

Actually mine is the factually correct legally verifiable response. TIMs are male. They can never be female. It's not possible to change sex.

I've pointed out exactly why you are wrong in these statements several times, which you have repeatedly failed to engage with. That's why you are spamming.

spontaneousgiventime · 22/05/2018 20:54

SupermatchGame - (Small things amuse small minds etc).

You said it, not me. I will agree with it though.

crispbuttyfan · 22/05/2018 20:56

Langcleg

www.panelbase.net/

This is your reputable polling company! :-)

I thought you said it was yougov?

Or was you trying to suggest a reputable polling company was involved, when you knew the truth was no such thing??

Panelbase a reputable polling company!? Jesus Christ!!

Its a sham company promising rewards for completing surveys....

I am so sure you would accept such a low bar for a survey that was trans positive.... In fact I could knock one up with more merit in 10 minutes.

I think I've gone #peaklangcleg

You are amusing, you know that? Never change!

Ereshkigal · 22/05/2018 20:56

You're a goady sea lion, SMG, and I'm bored now. Knock yourself out. I won't respond until you make a decent argument.

SupermatchGame · 22/05/2018 20:59

I've pointed out exactly why you are wrong in these statements several times, which you have repeatedly failed to engage with. That's why you are spamming.

Strange you say that because I think you'll find that I've pointed out exactly why you are wrong in these statements several times for example:

Where a full gender recognition certificate is issued to a person, the person’s gender becomes for all purposes the acquired gender (so that, if the acquired gender is the male gender, the person’s sex becomes that of a man and, if it is the female gender, the person’s sex becomes that of a woman).

People can change aspects of their sex that means they are to all intents and purposes members of that sex in every day life.

Even your 'you have repeatedly failed to engage with' bit is a lie.

Ereshkigal · 22/05/2018 20:59

Its a sham company promising rewards for completing surveys....

Er, so does Yougov.

When you take surveys you accumulate points which can later be redeemed for either a £50 payment upon reaching 5000 points or entered into the monthly prize draw to have a chance of winning of cash prizes! See our Rewardsds*^ page for a complete list.

You make me laugh about the low bar. No never seen a trans study or survey that wasn't scrupulously well done, no siree no no.

Popchyk · 22/05/2018 21:00

Daily Mail has picked it up.

Mail link

A rehash of the Telegraph article.

Ereshkigal · 22/05/2018 21:01

People can change aspects of their sex that means they are to all intents and purposes members of that sex in every day life.

Except they aren't. Because there are exemptions to both the GRA and EA. as you know.

Try again.

LangCleg · 22/05/2018 21:03

(Someone tell Crisp that most polling companies offer incentivised surveys, including YouGov, and these aren't the same thing as commissioned polling. And that Panelbase is a perfectly good company used by Sky, the BBC, the Times et al. And that not knowing this is showing one's ignorance. And ask where my evidenced data set is.)

SupermatchGame · 22/05/2018 21:03

Except they aren't. Because there are exemptions to both the GRA and EA. as you know.

Doesn't change the definition of them as 'male' or 'female' though in their transitioned sex.

I"m bored as well btw.

crispbuttyfan · 22/05/2018 21:05

panelbase is still not a reputable polling company, it doesnt even have a wiki page.

Its a half-arsed polling set-up that will ask any question for clicks, which is the reason it was used, no reputable polling company would touch the framing of that question with a barge-pole!

spontaneousgiventime · 22/05/2018 21:09

It may not have a Wiki page but it is a member of the British Polling Council. Here.

Ereshkigal · 22/05/2018 21:10

Doesn't change the definition of them as 'male' or 'female' though in their transitioned sex.

What do you think the exemptions are for exactly? They are there because the law acknowledges they are not actually the opposite sex.

You cannot change sex. It is a legal fiction.

crispbuttyfan · 22/05/2018 21:11

It's still not regarded as a reputable polling company, and it is certainly not yougov.....

Why would someone claim it was yougov in the first place if panelbase had such an outstanding reputation?

Ereshkigal · 22/05/2018 21:11

no reputable polling company would touch the framing of that question with a barge-pole!

Yes, they let transactivists load the questions instead or they screech "transphobia!"

spontaneousgiventime · 22/05/2018 21:15

crispbuttyfan Could you post a link to a reason why it has a bad reputation as I can't find anything. I did find this though. And this.

MissSusanSays · 22/05/2018 21:17

(Siddles In) Anyone else find it astonishing that posters rock up regularly to trans threads without a clue what we are talking about, or the law, or the basic facts? Or even the ability to read properly.

It’s almost as if they’re doing it on purpose. Can’t imagine why.

Off to have some scones now. Pip pip.
(Siddles back out again)

crispbuttyfan · 22/05/2018 21:17

Heres an excellent article on panelbase and how it leads people to vote in a pre-determined way, and why the results are usually outliers.

Its partly to do with the fact they will take payment and put up any old nonsense and framing of questions...

From another article regarding scottish independance...

*In his now regular independence polling blog at whatscotlandthinks.org, John Curtice, the psephologist at Strathclyde university and the Scottish Centre for Social Research (ScotCen), wrote this week that the Panelbase poll is an outlier.

Panelbase is known, he said, for favouring "yes" support in comparison to other pollsters. That might explain why the SNP has hired it instead of YouGov to do its polling. Curtice said:

as we have repeatedly pointed out, Panelbase's polls (as hitherto conducted for Sunday Times Scotland) have consistently produced results that are more favourable to the Yes side than those of any other pollster.

On average previous Panelbase polls have put Yes on 36% and No on 45%. The average reading across everyone else's polls is Yes 32%, No 53%.

Indeed, Panelbase had a very different approach to the structure of its questions in its contract with the SNP: it asked the "how will you vote" question after first leading its respondents through two positive questions about trust in the Scottish government versus Westminster, and whether they agreed that Scotland "could be a successful independent country."

This formula is crucial, Curtice wrote:

All survey researchers are aware that the responses they get depend can not only depend on the exact wording of the question they ask, but also on what questions have been asked immediately beforehand. There is good reason to believe that this proved important in this case.

By prefacing the referendum voting intention poll with two questions that elicited a response favourable to the Yes side, some respondents could well have been cued into saying Yes when they otherwise would not have done so.*

spontaneousgiventime · 22/05/2018 21:19

I could type anything, link please.

MissSusanSays · 22/05/2018 21:19

Obvious gaslighting here.

More gaslighting than a gas works.

SupermatchGame · 22/05/2018 21:19

I see 'screech' is your word du jour.

They are there because the law acknowledges they are not actually the opposite sex.

The law explicitly states they are that sex. The exemptions are a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim - in a very small number of instances.

Ereshkigal · 22/05/2018 21:19

Is it? I've used it once!

Ereshkigal · 22/05/2018 21:20

The law explicitly states they are that sex. The exemptions are a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim - in a very small number of instances.

Why do you think that is allowed? Why would excluding trans identified males be a legitimate aim?

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