Trans women

[Jamiem80]

Probably going to get shot down massively here but a simple question clearly there is a lot of hate for men wanting to be women, but nothing about women becoming men. Do you also frown upon this or is it ok and for what reason?

Don’t know what forced teaming is.
Please explain.

Google is your friend. I am not.

I asked the same question earlier. Who gets to decide? Who are you to decide women’s boundaries.
Surely an open debate is healthy. No aggressive language required.

PINS (Pre-Incident Indicators) Forced Teaming. This is when a person implies that they have something in common with their chosen victim, acting as if they have a shared predicament when that isn't really true. Speaking in "we" terms is a mark of this, i.e.

Wow!,

I’ll leave now. I was just having a debate. Didn’t mean to scare you.

That's a rather disnigenuous comment, Pseudonymium!

I repeat, most of the women here stand for the safety, dignity and autonomy of women.

Feminists aren't really all that interested in debating if women have too many rights because we don't think women have enough rights, you see.
So while it is an intellectual exercise to some, for women it is a matter of life and death.

Christ it was like TRA bingo on this thread overnight. Brains in the wrong body, the lot. The OP was asking about why transwomen are focused on so much more than transmen..... well this thread shows why. Did the conversation continue about the needs and concerns of and for transmen? Nope. It was taken over by the TWAW brigade. Women were not listened to and repeatedly told they were wrong for protecting their boundaries. And Curry is invisible again, because her personal narrative doesn’t fit the TRA agenda.

“I was just having a debate”.... well, this isn’t a philosophical exercise, this isn’t debate club. This is about the safety and well-being of real people. A transwoman literally just shared her truth and was ignored because it didn’t fit with the feminist-bashing agenda.

"Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them." - Margaret Atwood (paraphrased).

A lifetime of conditioning coupled with fear. Sounds like the trans experience, either way.

Why is that for women to deal with? Who do you think trans identified males are afraid of?

A lifetime of conditioning coupled with fear. Sounds like the trans experience, either way.

It’s a vague statement that only makes sense when you relate it to specific circumstances

You could use those words to explain pretty much anything - school shooters, dogs with behavioural problems, failure of peaceful process in Middle East.

Reading through this, I feel like a member of that well-known minority group, The Round Earther Society.

Reading through this, I feel like a member of that well-known minority group, The Round Earther Society.

Can I join? We could have a logo of some kind of round object.

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Surely an open debate is healthy.

You would think so. But I've realised that open healthy debate is only viewed as open healthy debate if you are in agreement with the majority here.

There is a lot in TRA dialogue about being able to be your authentic self.

My authentic self is slim and able-bodied. If society could please facilitate me being those things, I'd be extremely grateful.

I think I might start calling myself a Round Earther rather than a feminist. You'd be most welcome to join me, Upstart! Shall we have a secret handshake?

Pseud, reading those posts it is clear you are missing a large part of the debate. It would be really useful if you could read lots of the other threads on here and come back when you've done so.

I've read posts on this thread saying being trans is a mental illness.

Trabs Rights Activists would vehemently disagree and consider that transphobic.

You said you don't know what AGP is. You absolutely cannot come here and start telling people what to think unless you understand the role of AGP in the Trans rights debate. It's not a private fetish. It is a very public one. I would say that AGP voices are shouting far louder than those with true gender dysphoria and they are being listened to

And yes to this thread having started about transmen and yet here we all are, as usual, talking about transwomen.

But I've realised that open healthy debate is only viewed as open healthy debate if you are in agreement with the majority here.

The problem is that while there are often two sides to an argument, they don't always carry equal weight. See also climate change and vaccines.

Transwomen and Women both need protection from discrimination, and they both need particular services. The problem is that they don't share any particular qualities that they don't share with the rest of humanity and sometimes their needs are in conflict.

You can't give rights and services to a group you can't define and you need to be able to explain why a group needs protections or services in order to give them protections and services.

Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them. - Margaret Atwood (paraphrased).

Well then men are grossly underestimating the risk. It makes a nice sounding quote, but if you check the latest statistical update from ONS:

The majority of homicide victims were male in the year ending March 2017 (71%, 433 victims) and 29% were female (180 victims).
www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2017

But again, don't let the facts get in the way of a good trans bashing story!

This kind of bullying is intolerable. What gave the woman the right to accost my friend?

The trans ideology. Boundary pushing males have made women suspicious.

If people are behaving sexually in your changing room, call the police. There are laws to deal with that.

Did you read my link? AGP isn't illlegal. Neither is the rank misogyny it encompasses. But the behaviour often is. Emotional abuse, using people as unwitting participants, etc.

It's all but almost impossible to hold these men accountable.

Read the link. Or just google trans widows. They're not exactly scarce.

Men (regardless of glitter identity) regularly kill other men. Men (regardless of glitter identity) regularly kill women. Women (regardless of glitter identity) rarely kill other women. Women (regardless of glitter identity) rarely kill men. Comparing victims of homicide isn't the point. Comparing perpetrators is.

And as usual in these "debates" of trying to get women to submit, Pseudo left the thread blaming other posters. ie, because we have been scared by "debate". So transparent and predictable.

Well then men are grossly underestimating the risk. It makes a nice sounding quote, but if you check the latest statistical update from ONS:

Who do you think is killing those men, SMG? Is it women? And who is killing the vast majority of the women? Is it women or is it men?

Indeed. So the point, which was about the underestimation of risk that the quote described, highlights that men should have a lot more to worry about than just being laughed at. Same as women. Or more so.

and 29% were female (180 victims).

And how many of all the victims were killed by women? Assuming some people were killed by women, how were they killed? How much more difficult was if for a woman to kill somebody?

The reality is that women know that they have a limited ability to fight back if physically attacked by a man, and the only certain method is to avoid being in the situation in the first place.