Trans women

[Jamiem80]

Probably going to get shot down massively here but a simple question clearly there is a lot of hate for men wanting to be women, but nothing about women becoming men. Do you also frown upon this or is it ok and for what reason?

Sounds like the trans experience, either way.
I am describing the female experience in a female space when faced with a transgender identified male, and you are of course dismissing me.
These conversations serve to remind us that transgender is comorbid with NPD in 80% of cases.

Bollocks. Men are born men. They experience male socialisation. Not female socialisation. This is a major point.

If you have an argument with male socialisation, then please take up that argument on an appropriate men's rights site.

Pseudonymium

AGP. I don’t know enough about this. Your description sounds like a fetish rather than gender dysphoria. What people do in their own bedrooms is private and their business.

Did you read the link? Those men are transwomen. And it's not private and done in their bedrooms. It's public and done in my changing room.

That's the difference between transsexuals and autogynephiles. Both are transwomen though.

Basically, whatever TRA/MRA men feel they are - they are still men. And most women don't want them in sex-specific spaces for women and girls, because they are men.

That is a NO. End of conversation.

If you keep pushing me to weaken my boundaries -then you are, by definition, a person not to be trusted.

I still think trans people are more likely to present as a caricature of their target sex than regular individuals. You have not convinced me. Blue rinse brigade is lacking.

“Still a man though”
Who gets to decide?

I have a female friend! Mother of 3, in her 60s who wears her greying hair short and does not wear makeup. She was verbally abused by a woman in the changing rooms at the local sports centre because another woman thought she was a trans-woman.

This kind of bullying is intolerable. What gave the woman the right to accost my friend?

Unless someone is harming you, you should let them be. A trans woman should be treated like any other woman. Just by being herself she. Is not harming you or anyone else. You might not want to let her into your branch of the ‘woman club’, but she’s welcome in most days branches.

It's public and done in my changing room.

If people are behaving sexually in your changing room, call the police. There are laws to deal with that.

Not really, because such men are born and raised men, an d not actual women born with a cunt etc

Or women can just stay home like they do in the countries where there is no sex segregated spaces for women. We are aware by now that for many men the transgender advocacy is a tool they are using to roll back women's rights and that transgender identified males care absolutely nothing about anyone's rights but their own.

Just ask yourself! If a colleague of yours who you had worked closely with for 5 years told you in confidence on a night out that she was a trans woman. Would you expect her to stop using the ladies room?

Cool story, bro!
I have a female friend! Mother of 3, in her 60s who wears her greying hair short and does not wear makeup. She was verbally abused by a woman in the changing rooms at the local sports centre because another woman thought she was a trans-woman.

Yeah, cool story, bro! Really, really, cool story, bro!

Just ask yourself! If a colleague of yours who you had worked closely with for 5 years told you in confidence on a night out that she was a trans woman. Would you expect her to stop using the ladies room?

Please stop talking to us as though we are so effing ignorant and unaware of our surroundings that we can't tell a male from a female.

We see you. You believe that we do not. You are wrong.

Why cool bro?

Pseudonymium

Like so many before you the demand for empathy goes in one direction only. You don't even bother to respond to what we say to you.

Moat of us here are concerned with the rights of women and girls.

I’m concerned with the rights of all people equally.
I recognise the need for safe female spaces.
I extend the definition of woman to welcome all women and the definition of man to include all men.
I condemn violence in all its forms.

I did not want this to turn into a personal attack type forum. I responded and even questioned when I did not understand your posts. Your arguments have not convinced me to become less tolerant.

FFS Pipsicle Bunce had me snorting and

What is pipsicle Bunsen?

Just made me actuallylaugh loud enough to wake DH

Your arguments have not convinced me to become less tolerant.

In every interaction between men and women the men push constantly to move women's tolerance to submission.
That is what is being done here.

Tolerance is not submission.

Tolerance is the ability or willingness to tolerate the existence of opinions or behaviour that one dislikes or disagrees with.

Submission is the action of accepting or yielding to a superior force or to the will or authority of another person.

Don’t submit,

Never submit

And that goes for our trans sisters too.

Did the OP 'plop plop and run'?
Or just switch usernames to Nogods?

Genuine question btw.

And that goes for our trans sisters too.

Your forced teaming tactics are setting off all my alarms.

Who the fuck are you to decide women's boundaries? Fuck off, I prefer to fight for women's rights to decide their own boundaries.