Trans women

[Jamiem80]

Probably going to get shot down massively here but a simple question clearly there is a lot of hate for men wanting to be women, but nothing about women becoming men. Do you also frown upon this or is it ok and for what reason?

@Pseudonymium Sun 20-May-18 01:11:58
It is what sex means, and when everything is in alignment a woman has a female body that’s fertile, is attracted to men (not all men) and has never questioned whether she’s a woman.
A man has a male body, is attracted to women (no quite all women) and has never questioned whether he’s a man.
But sometimes things don’t align.

Where do gay people fit into that neat theory?

Pseudonymium

Are you suggesting that transvestites and drag queens want to become women? If so you are wrong.

The men on this ongoing Mumsnet thread are AGP. Do you categorise that as gender dysphoria or a transvestite fetish?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3101834-trans-widows-escape-committee

Apologies bunce

Well there you are then. "I'll support you masquerading as one of us but you'll never truly be a part of our community/group"

Yes, being honest, that's how most women feel.

Loving Pipsicle Bruce

Bunce! Pipsicle Bunce!

Is that an incel comment? No.

Will no one tell me why transwomen are never against the beauty industry. They always slap it on

Terfulike Basically why do most trans women want to be models and most trans men want to be soldiers. It makes no sense based on what you're saying. To me it looks like they think they can only be a real soldier as a man or a real model as a woman

But there are plenty of females in the military, in the us and uk, including the Marines. Lots of examples on youtube as you probably know.

Many more than trans people. Why would a woman think she needs to be a man to be a soldier when there are all these different female solider role models? Gay, straight, feminine, butch.That makes less sense to me. For a natal female to feel they have to be a man to be a soldier I think that is more likely to be because of an underlying gender identity of male, given that there are such alternative role models.

What is AGP?

What is pipsicle Bunsen?

"Gay people, like trans people, are an example of when sometimes things don’t align"

That is a really weird statement. So are you saying there is something intrinsically wrong with being gay? Since you seem to think that the way to "fix" trans people is to alter their bodies, do you think the same applies to gay people? Does a man who fancies men have something so wrong with him that he needs to change his body and become a woman who fancies men, perhaps.

Bloody hell

Incel.

You don’t see them because you already accept them as women.

Men make this mistake all the time. They assume that failure to object is acquiescence. I assure you it is not. It is a lifetime of conditioning coupled with fear.

Terfulike
Make up does not maketh the woman. Well, I hope not.

Pseudonymium Sun 20-May-18 01:33:17
What is AGP?

Autogynephilia is a paraphilia, in which men are aroused by the thought of presenting as women.

Of course not.
A persons sexuality is independent of their gender. A persons sexuality is their business. It is not a choice. Coming out or remaining closeted is a choice. Society is tolerant enough that most gay people are confident to come out these days and live an authentic life

Gender identity is independent of sex and sexuality, and a person’s gender should be their business. However it is much more difficult to come out because of the intolerance of trans people. Hopefully this will change and trans people will be able to live authentic lives too.

Me and my fanjo did sixteen years in the military. Still a woman. I quite enjoyed beasting the boys, some of whom couldn’t quite deal with the fact that the short chick was fast and strong. The military is actually a really useful backdrop to playing gender. It proves that gender is a big fat bag of hairy bollocks and that either sex can get shit done. It certainly doesn’t prove that women who serve need to get a T prescription and a pump up dick.

The one thing the military is, of course, is deeply misogynistic. So any woman serving would be vulnerable to that.

But anyhoo. No. Men don’t get to join the woman club. Soz. They can wear dresses, flip their hair, and get called Ariel or Kat. They can chop their penises off. All good. Do whatever you want. You do you. I hope it eases any discomfort you experience and I will support your right to do so.
Still a man though.

AGP. I don’t know enough about this. Your description sounds like a fetish rather than gender dysphoria. What people do in their own bedrooms is private and their business.

People prating "Gender identity" means nothing, when compared with the physical reality of being born female.

Thebewilderness . “Men make this mistake all the time. They assume that failure to object is acquiescence. I assure you it is not. It is a lifetime of conditioning coupled with fear.“

A lifetime of conditioning coupled with fear. Sounds like the trans experience, either way.

Pseudonymium Sun 20-May-18 01:54:40
AGP. I don’t know enough about this. Your description sounds like a fetish rather than gender dysphoria. What people do in their own bedrooms is private and their business.

Its not a fetish that stays in the bedroom, and it destroys marriages. Look for the Trans Widows Escape Committee thread. You have the luxury of being able to ignore the bits you don't like, other women are having to deal with it.
Autogynephiles bankrupt their families as the behaviour takes over in late middle age.