Trans women

[Jamiem80]

Probably going to get shot down massively here but a simple question clearly there is a lot of hate for men wanting to be women, but nothing about women becoming men. Do you also frown upon this or is it ok and for what reason?

No not in this country for the last one.

Strange that you chose to say that then given that you know it isn't true, isn't it?

are you really saying that black people aren't best placed to understand the reasons behind, and therefore campaign for, an end to racism?

seems a little paternalistic, no?

I'm not saying others can't join in. but surely the most compelling voice against oppression comes from the oppressed?

Strange that you chose to say that then given that you know it isn't true, isn't it?

No it's not strange it's inclusive given that there are US members and people from other countries where trans murder rates are higher.

Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them

I really don't understand how super could miss the point of that quote so spectacularly

They're a sheltered breed aren't they. MPs tend not to think of anything unless they've been affected by it.

Although I certainly couldn't disagree with this

Rufustheyawningreindeer Because it fits Super agenda to miss the point?

are you really saying that black people aren't best placed to understand the reasons behind, and therefore campaign for, an end to racism?
seems a little paternalistic, no?

No. I think if you want to understand the reasons behind racism then you'll only ever get part of the picture if you only speak to black people. I'm saying it isn't just their responsibility to do something about it.

Racism is society's problem. As is violence.

Trans women are also at risk of sexual assault, violence and homicide from dating men

Men seem to be a risk to everyone, don’t they? but I think there have been eight murders of trans women in the last decade. I believe only two of those were directly attributed to the person in question being trans. Obviously that's eight too many, any killing is a terrible thing.
At the same time, it makes being a trans woman considerably safer than being a woman in the UK by any measure you want to use. Two women a week are killed in intimate partner/family killings, effectively for being female.

Worth also pointing out that none of these transwomen were killed by feminists. Feminists in general tend to have an opinion, rather than engage in violence. The current TRA lobby seems to see opinions as violence, which again is interesting. And disturbing.

but male violence affects everyone and therefore is everyone's business.

You are confusing recognising the problem:

"violence and discrimination are bad"

with taking practical steps to solve the problem.

Lack of accessibility means people with a disability suffer discrimination. Many people suffer from discrimination. Only some people can access the Blue Badge parking scheme.

Theoretically we know that access to university is equal to all, but we also know that there are structural reasons why people on low incomes find it more difficult.

You cannot solve equality problems if you pretend that everybody has the same needs and starts from the same position.

Sometimes two groups of different people share a service without problem (Cyclists and buses share bus lanes), and sometimes it causes conflict, e.g. when somebody in a wheelchair can't get on the bus because somebody hasn't folded a pushchair.

If you don't recognise that different groups have different and sometimes conflicting needs it's impossible to create provision or take steps to prevent discrimination.

And while bus lanes are better than nothing, it's much safer if cyclists have their own cycle lanes.

@supermatchgame

Did you read what Sophia had to say about the US murder rate?

dailycaller.com/2018/05/12/linguistic-minefield-of-politically-correct-tranny/

No it's not strange it's inclusive given that there are US members and people from other countries where trans murder rates are higher.

There are reasons why those rates are higher. Most people don't tend to call prostitution "dating". And prostitution carries a much higher murder rate both for trans identified males and women.

Apart from anything else, availability of guns makes it very difficult to include US statistics in a discussion about murder in the U.K.

And Brazil, which has the highest level of trans murder.

High trans murder, suicide and abuse rates are linked to high trans prostitution rates. So you would need to compare those with the murder, suicide and abuse rates of women in prostitution, not with the murder, suicide and abuse rates of all women.

Also, trans identified male murder rates need to be compared against other male murder rates. Male people are both murder victims and murderers at a higher rate.

You will find that a male cuts the risk of being murdered by transitioning.

That is true. Not only to below that of other men, but below that if women and therefore below the average.

But again, all murder is tragic and if you want to reduce murder rates, you have to look at the specific circumstances in which murders occur.

You can’t just lump them all together to prove a point and say ‘murder is bad’.

Agree.

Yes: it's thoroughly unpleasant to have to engage in a 'our murder rate is higher than yours' conversation. Unfortunately transactivists have chosen this style of argument in pursuit of maximum victimhood. We allow the lie to stand, or we challenge it.

Where is Datun, by the way

I've seen her posting earlier today.