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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Muslim rights vs Transgender rights

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DJLippy · 12/05/2018 15:02

A beauty Salon in Ontario in Canada is being sued because a Muslim beautician refused to wax a transgeder woman's legs for religious reasons. It's being likened to refusing to serve gay people.

Is the Muslim community in the UK aware of the impact that self-ID would have on their right to practice their religion?

windsor.ctvnews.ca/human-rights-application-launched-against-windsor-body-waxing-business-by-transgender-woman-1.3925911#_gus&_gucid=&_gup=twitter&_gsc=2lV42Ii

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SimonBridges · 16/05/2018 22:29

Why is the rights of a man with a fetish more valid than the rights of an autistic woman with a history of sexual abuse?

I’ve underlined the key words there to help you.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 16/05/2018 22:38

I just can't believe we're going to need some secret network to give trigger warnings to airports

starzig · 16/05/2018 22:55

Perhaps a poor career choice more than anything methinks.

Cwenthryth · 17/05/2018 07:06

On the point of asking Muslim women about concerns re gender self identification, I was interested that Ash Sakar, who appeared on the C4 Genderquake debate describes herself as a ‘cisgender feminist’ (her understanding of the meaning of those words must be different to mine), shouting over women’s concerns and visibly simpering at Jenner/Burgdorf, on her Twitter bio also notes she is Muslim. Her views are the complete opposite of many of ‘us’ gender critical feminists, and personally I found her pretty objectionable on that program, very rude and disingenuous (either disingenous, or ignorant), however it would be very interesting to understand how she reconciles gender self-identification with Islamic doctrine/culture, even if for her personally it isn’t an issue, she must be able to see the concerns others have.

R0wantrees · 17/05/2018 08:06

Ash Sakar with Shon Faye
novaramedia.com/2018/05/14/the-ciscourse/
"about the clusterfuck that was Channel 4’s GenderQuake debate and the state of trans rights in Britain, everyone’s favourite salted meat and whether anyone actually cares what Germaine Greer has to say anymore."

Ash was briefed by Stephen Whittle: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3249035-Stephen-Whittle-s-blog-on-Genderquake-with-a-detailed-briefing-for-panelists

Cwenthryth · 17/05/2018 09:40

The novaro link doesn’t work for me, but I’m assuming you’re illustrating the point above about Sakar’s views. My point being that she supports transgender ideology, calls herself a cisgender feminist, and Muslim. Therefore (a) we can’t assume that all Muslim women would automatically be in the gender critical camp when it comes to protecting single sex spaces and (b) it would be really interesting to understand how she reconciles her views on the two, as to us gender critical feminists with varying levels of understanding/experience of Islamic culture/doctrine, the two don’t seem to intersect very comfortably.

R0wantrees · 17/05/2018 09:56

I think that Ash Saker's views represent others who believe 'feminism is about solidarity/equality' as seen in Radio Times review of 'What Makes a Woman' but this is not representative of all feminists.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3251002-Munroe-Bergdorf-What-Makes-a-Woman-Channel-4-16-5

Similarly her views as a Muslim woman will of course not represent all Muslims.

cf Ruth Hunt's views (Stonewall) on lesbian representation as raised by James Kirkup's article:
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/the-silencing-of-the-lesbians/

My concern is that those who hold some positions have much more media presence and political power than others.

DJLippy · 01/06/2018 17:50

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