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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The erasure of lesbians by the transcult - 'How to have lesbian sex with a transwoman' NSFW

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OrchidInTheSun · 11/05/2018 09:48

This is an article explaining (graphically!) how a lesbian should have sex with a person with a penis. So a man.

www.autostraddle.com/how-to-have-trans-woman-lesbian-sex-with-a-penis-414839/amp/

This is part of a series called Lesbian Sex 101: "Employment of the term “lesbian sex” in this post uses “lesbian” as an adjective to describe sex between two women or people who identify with that experience, regardless of the sexual orientation of the two people involved."

So basically, emphatically not lesbian sex, given that lesbian sex is sex between two biological women who don't have penises.

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AngryAttackKittens · 12/05/2018 12:00

"The conversation about trans lesbian sex often focuses on anal,"

I thought this part was just "see, everyone thinks we're gay, I mean straight, but we're actually straight, I mean lesbian".

SardineReturns · 12/05/2018 12:02

"Like with handsex, oral sex on a trans woman’s penis looks different from oral sex on a cis penis. "

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I am running out of ?????????????

  1. Who is watching
  2. Is it because the lesbian performing it looks less happy than her het counterpart?
OrchidInTheSun · 12/05/2018 12:02

I did see a thread on Twitter by a TIM telling heterosexual men that they shouldn't expect a TIM to tell them they're trans but they should instead make it clear in their dating profiles/chatting up that they're not keen on penises.

Then there was a post from a heterosexual man saying that he completely was on side because he'd met some TIMS and some of them were gorgeous and he'd totally go there. Unfortunately though, he was married and faithful to his lovely wife. It's funny how all the woke men have a really good excuse as to why they're not available to date TIMs isn't it? Hmm

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AngryAttackKittens · 12/05/2018 12:04

"Handsex" sounds like some hippie shit where you rub your hands against the other person's hands and stare into each other's eyes while someone plays Dead Can Dance in the background.

Ereshkigal · 12/05/2018 12:06

did see a thread on Twitter by a TIM telling heterosexual men that they shouldn't expect a TIM to tell them they're trans but they should instead make it clear in their dating profiles/chatting up that they're not keen on penises.

Was it the one I posted just now Orchid? Can believe there may be others but I think they have a limited chance of success, given that many of their wokebro allies claim to see them as women of course are lying "except for relationship purposes".

SardineReturns · 12/05/2018 12:10

""Handsex" sounds like some hippie shit where you rub your hands against the other person's hands and stare into each other's eyes while someone plays Dead Can Dance in the background."

I'm old and tired, this sounds fine Grin

terryleather · 12/05/2018 12:10

I think I used to actually do that when I was a goth Angry Grin

AngryAttackKittens · 12/05/2018 12:11

I think we called it "dancing" at the time, though.

OrchidInTheSun · 12/05/2018 12:13

Sorry - missed that you'd linked it Ereshkigal! Yes it's totally it. It's 'yeah I would totally go out with you except that I'm gay/in a LTR/a monk/asexual/celibate (delete as appropriate)

I see that person is now asking for help with their gas bill.

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AngryAttackKittens · 12/05/2018 12:17

The constant grifting annoys me so much, especially when it's all "you cis people are horrible bigots who kill eleventy billion trans women a week by not believing in us and you should all die in a fire! p.s. Don't forget to send me some money first".

Ereshkigal · 12/05/2018 12:17

It's 'yeah I would totally go out with you except that I'm gay/in a LTR/a monk/asexual/celibate (delete as appropriate)

Yes. Fun to watch them squirm, generally though Grin

ReluctantCamper · 12/05/2018 12:19

yes, the 'lives are at risk' warning at the start of that thread. Hmm

I can confirm that not having sex isn't fatal. really.

Ereshkigal · 12/05/2018 12:34

No Camper, it's because they're being murdered at alarming rates! And something something this is why! TERFs!

SardineReturns · 12/05/2018 12:41

Hmm.

I've known men and boys who threatened suicide when women / girls didn't give them what they wanted (always related to relationships / sex).

This is standard practice and most women are well aware of it.

Why does gender code "manipulative" as female when thinking about it, the most manipulative people I've met have been men? I suppose in gender when men are manipulative it is rewritten as "determined" or something. L

Ereshkigal · 12/05/2018 12:45

This is standard practice and most women are well aware of it.

Yes. I've been the victim of it, it is well known as an abuse tactic when it's used to control others' behaviour and I will never stop calling it out.

ohfortuna · 12/05/2018 12:54

It's ALL about men and their dicks isn't it
YUP

HotRocker · 12/05/2018 12:55

I think we are supposed to be fine about having unwanted sex because we are being nice, and inclusive, and helpful. This should make us feel better. We are women after all.
Not allowed to say no though, because that would be literal violence and a hate crime.
We shall bestow our favours on you as long as you comply, but if you don’t, you shall be condemned.
Its all getting a bit Gilead.

BonsaiBear · 12/05/2018 13:06

Just to chime in regarding bisexual people. It's always assumed that we're up for anything (especially threesomes!) and I don't like the additional assumption a bisexual person would automatically be happy with sex with a transwoman.

Speaking for myself, I enjoy sex with people who align with their biology. I do not find a penis on a person otherwise claiming to be a woman attractive. If I'm going to have a penis in my vicinity then yea I'd like it to be fully functional and attached to a man - no matter whether I also will sleep with women on different occasions.

Those are my preferences and I refuse to feel pressured to change them. I have a right to my sexual tastes and no amount of guilting or shrieking transphobia is going to make me try to recondition my sexuality to please random people I've never met and never will.

Ereshkigal · 12/05/2018 13:07

Well said, Bonsai.

BonsaiBear · 12/05/2018 13:10

Sorry just to add - I won't 'try' to get my head around it, ergo I will never be naked around these people.

I have had enough sex with people who identify as transgender in different ways to know it is 100% not for me.

But I feel it's important to speak up and say that this sort of coercive behaviour is noticed and not going unchallenged.

(interestingly most of the crappy coercive sex I've ever had was with trans-identifying people. Selfish, expecting it to be all about them, hypersensitive and prone to going absolutely into a rage spiral if I didn't feel in the mood. My sample size is not enormous but those have been my experiences.)

ohfortuna · 12/05/2018 13:15

I did see a thread on Twitter by a TIM telling heterosexual men that they shouldn't expect a TIM to tell them they're trans but they should instead make it clear in their dating profiles/chatting up that they're not keen on penises
So on dating sites will there be an option for people to say whether they are interested in TIMs?
If there is it will presumably become very evident to TIMs that they are a very niche preference, that's on the hole straight men gay men straight women gay women are not interested in dating them.
Furthermore TIMs don't want to date other TIM because that is triggering to TIMs
Presumably it is triggering because seeing another man masquerading as a woman remind him that he is also a man masquerading as a woman?

But I digress.... the TIM has painted himself into a corner and options for sexual partners are now severely limited
What's will TIMs do??

OlennasWimple · 12/05/2018 13:15

t's always assumed that we're up for anything (especially threesomes!) and I don't like the additional assumption a bisexual person would automatically be happy with sex with a transwoman.

Our favourite women's officer is in a relationship with a bisexual woman, which of course allows the women's officer to continue to claim to be a lesbian Hmm

Ereshkigal · 12/05/2018 13:20

So on dating sites will there be an option for people to say whether they are interested in TIMs?

I'm told they have taken over Grindr, to the anger of many gay men. When they're supposedly "straight". Trans logic - never knowingly consistent.

Apileofballyhoo · 12/05/2018 13:27

Where are the articles for straight men on how to have sex with a transwoman with a penis?

ohfortuna · 12/05/2018 13:34

I'm told they have taken over Grindr, to the anger of many gay men
I don't understand Grindr is a dating app which gay men use to connect with other gay men, why would a TIM think that that is a place to get what he wants.

Why are there not TIMs designing apps for other TIMs to find people who want to date TIMs?

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