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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The erasure of lesbians by the transcult - 'How to have lesbian sex with a transwoman' NSFW

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OrchidInTheSun · 11/05/2018 09:48

This is an article explaining (graphically!) how a lesbian should have sex with a person with a penis. So a man.

www.autostraddle.com/how-to-have-trans-woman-lesbian-sex-with-a-penis-414839/amp/

This is part of a series called Lesbian Sex 101: "Employment of the term “lesbian sex” in this post uses “lesbian” as an adjective to describe sex between two women or people who identify with that experience, regardless of the sexual orientation of the two people involved."

So basically, emphatically not lesbian sex, given that lesbian sex is sex between two biological women who don't have penises.

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thebewilderness · 11/05/2018 21:17

In 2004 the trans umbrella was introduced by transgender advocates to cover LGBT. The LGB said no, thanks anyway, and as we can all clearly see by the gender spectrum being taught in school that includes much more than just the LGBT their wishes were disregarded.
Why? Because after the marriage discrimination laws were repealed there was a void in LGBT communities which transgender identified males and homophobic Enbys(non binary) rushed to fill.
And here we are.

AngryAttackKittens · 11/05/2018 21:20

Or is the position just that women have to have relationships and sex with whomever they are told to?

That seems to pretty much sum things up. Women are not sexual actors, we exist to be acted upon and how very dare we have preferences and boundaries?

AncientLights · 11/05/2018 21:31

'Soft penises are sexy'. No they are not. Less threatening for sure, but still ( I'd imagine) totally unenticing to a lesbian. Beyond parody.

AngryAttackKittens · 11/05/2018 21:32

I'm bisexual and soft penises aren't sexy to me, so I can't imagine why they would be to a person who doesn't like penises at all.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 11/05/2018 21:34

I'm heterosexual and a soft penis is next to useless

Like stuffing a marshmallow in a money box

AngryAttackKittens · 11/05/2018 21:38

Like stuffing a marshmallow in a money box

I love you THIS MUCH!

But yeah, if medication (in which hormones are included in this case) causes erectile dysfunction then I'm not sure that any PR campaign is going to be able to overcome that problem, given that people who don't like penises in a sexual sense still don't like them if they're no longer fully functional, and people who do like penises are going to be disappointed if they can't get hard. Saying "I know you don't like penises, but mine doesn't work any more so it's all good, right?" isn't exactly up there with the greatest marketing campaigns of all time.

FusionChefGeoff · 11/05/2018 21:39

I tried to read that and gave up on the mental gymnastics required to try to follow the narrative.

WTF would a lesbian want sex involving a penis??!!

Bi-sexual, yes, I get that. But lesbian?!?

Surely this is an angle that will peak trans a whole bunch of liberal people - as it is so blatantly homophobic??

God this gets more incredible (literal sense) every time I return to the debate.

ohfortuna · 11/05/2018 21:40

I agree with the previous poster surely the best fit for a lesbian TIM is another lesbian TIM?

thebewilderness · 11/05/2018 21:45

In my experience a soft penis is a sign that the man who drank too much is about to be the angry drunk raging at me for the next hour until his narcissistic rage exhaust him. ymmv

GladAllOver · 12/05/2018 10:38

But why the obsession with titles?

Person A has sex with Person B. They don't need labels of what sex they are or what preference they have. They find someone they like and who likes them, and just get on with pleasing each other.

Ereshkigal · 12/05/2018 10:49

agree with the previous poster surely the best fit for a lesbian TIM is another lesbian TIM?

Many such accounts I have read say that "triggers their dysphoria".

OrchidInTheSun · 12/05/2018 11:05

That's not how human sexuality works GladAllOver. If you're a lesbian, you're a lesbian. No amount of liking someone is going to make you find a cock and balls sexually exciting

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AngryAttackKittens · 12/05/2018 11:18

Yeah well being told to shag someone I'm not attracted to triggers my feminist rage.

PencilsInSpace · 12/05/2018 11:30

Sexual orientation is a protected characteristic under the Equality Act:

(1)Sexual orientation means a person's sexual orientation towards—

(a)persons of the same sex,

(b)persons of the opposite sex, or

(c)persons of either sex.

This article is deeply homophobic.

Autostraddle appear to be US based but Stonewall also peddle this shite and are based in the UK. Stonewall are therefore bound by the Equality Act and, if the government money they get is to carry out public functions, they will also be expected to meet the public sector equality duty.

Ereshkigal · 12/05/2018 11:32

Here's a nice piece of coercive emotional blackmail aimed at straight men for a change. Good luck with that.

twitter.com/squidlarkin/status/994634618677575680?s=20

myfriendbob · 12/05/2018 11:37

Are we seeing the same sort of campaign against gay men? No, of course we aren’t, because men have the right to say no

Funny, I haven't seen any articles about how gay men should have sex with transmen with their male vaginas and don't forget you can get men pregnant with your gay sex!
Odd Hmm

ReluctantCamper · 12/05/2018 11:39

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OlennasWimple · 12/05/2018 11:50

Are we seeing the same sort of campaign against gay men?

I must try and find it again, but I recently read an article from a couple of years back that advised transmen who were having difficulty finding a partner to consider dating butch lesbians instead of gay men, as they might be more accepting of their transition Hmm

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 12/05/2018 11:50

That article made me laugh. It was an article about how to have sex where the primary aim is not penis in vagina or penis in anus. I found it hilarious.

A man has discovered that sex can involve more than shove it in and out of the hole. He wishes to share this astonishing insight. Obviously such knowledge has come from being trans. Ludicrous.

You'd think that an article about lesbian sex would be about how to pleasure the female body without using penetration. Apparently that's not even worth mentioning. If I were a transwoman and a natal female was willing to have sex with me, I would want articles about how to pleasure her so she wanted to repeat the experience.

The author is bad at sex and has written an article that shows how bad they must be at it because they have no interest in the other person's pleasure.

It's just a bog standard sex guide on how to do foreplay upon the male body.

I am reminded of Jimmy Carr's frequent aside "Don't neglect the balls ladies."

SardineReturns · 12/05/2018 11:54

"The conversation about trans lesbian sex often focuses on anal,"

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I am...

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How many lesbians want a penis up their arse?
Hardly any straight women actually want a penis up their arse.
Many women having anal arre doing so because it is expected / tehy are pressurised. Especially younger women and girls.
Of course some women enjoy it but, we can't get away from the fact that this act used to be "niche" but is now standard in porn and has become expected as standard by men, whether the women and girls involved like it or not. As usual, pressure is applied to get her to comply, an awful lot.

So, lesbians might have hoped to escape all this, whining men getting the sads because you're not that keen. But no! In the new world, lesbians get to experience this too! Joy.

(Not saying no lesbians enjoy a bit of bum action obv, but, For Fuck's Sake).

It's ALL about men and their dicks isn't it. ALL of it. A total preoccupation with sex and willies. Yeah because that's not a male trait at all.

SardineReturns · 12/05/2018 11:55

"Instead of saying “blow job,” try talking about “going down” or “eating out.” "

Eating out?

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DJLippy · 12/05/2018 11:56

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3246838-Lesbians-are-Legends-Vote-in-the-Guardian-Pride-Power-List

Here is a thread to vote for an actual lesbian in the Guardian LGBT awards. I just voted Linda Bellos & Magdalen Berns. Let's stop the madness!

AngryAttackKittens · 12/05/2018 11:58

"Eating out" made me chortle for real. Took some self control not to splatter my beverage all over my nice new monitor.

SardineReturns · 12/05/2018 11:58

"In terms of tissue structure and sensitivity, penises are basically just like clits, but bigger."

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Erm, has this person seen a picture of a clit? Much bigger and the entire body would have to be filled with lovely alienesque frondy things.

This person seems uneducated when it comes to women's bodies. And yet, here they are writing an article telling women how to have sex! Not just any women, lesbians! And saying, why not move away from anal, and try eating your partner out, in the sense of, sucking their dick. Yay!

SardineReturns · 12/05/2018 12:00

"soft penises are sexy"

As a heterosexual woman (in the old style cunty person who likes dicky people style) I have to say, that no, soft penises are NOT sexy.

Plus, to most lesbians, no penises are sexy, soft, hard, big, small. It's kind of a no penis deal. And no, penises are not "basically just like clits" I mean WTF.

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