Has anyone else just discovered that they are a RadFem?

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I'd always thought of myself as a liberal feminist... yup, feminist to the core and ready to fight for women and girls where appropriate but not that knowledgeable - and happy to enjoy the fun of being a women (summer dresses, sexy flirting, beautiful bodies) while acknowledging the horrors (FGM, rape, systemic inequality)....

But who knew it.... It just takes the words Transwomen are men ... so very obvious to me on so many levels.... to turn me into a RadFem....

And I've moved from being happy to encounter the occasional Transwomen in the Ladies (in well-populated, chatty scenarios like clubs) ... treating us with respect and being treated with respect... to not wanting a Penis in any sex-segregated arena...to feel threatened by the incursion of men on "our" spaces....

to sleeping badly and wondering what kind of world we are developing for our DC where playing with the boundaries of gender stereotypes (like Boy George) is less acceptable and the blue/pink divide has become so much more entrenched and the almost automatic reaction to any gender dissatisfaction in the young is to explore whether they are trans, rather than their just questioning and exploring society and their role within it....

I hate that dude-bro so much now!

I watched the first few seconds and could't watch anymore - she's so coercively controlled she doesn't know it - I knew that on IWD 2017 when she said "lets not forget the men" - poor woman.

Has anyone else just discovered that they are a RadFem? the alt-right.
And yet your virulent anti-feminism keeps alluding you? Radical feminism is nothing to do with the Right, Alt-Right, or the Left, or any of the usual male politic labels. It exists OUTSIDE of the male politic framework. Class Woman is victimised by both sides of male dominated politics, and stands outside of both.

Basically, by calling radical feminism 'alt-right' you are trying to scare women away. Shame on you. What are you doing on a feminist board anyway? It certainly is not for contribution. More like obstruction.

@Datun
VRR is still being bullied. Transactivists will never forgive them for not allowing a misogynistic man to become a counsellor of abused women. Or anyone who supports them.

Yes sadly true. And that is because the Trans Borg will accept nothing less than total capitulation to their way of thinking. And yet, VRR continue to take on trans clients, even despite all the harassment? That is a stunning display of humanity and caring by VRR. And the TRAs/handmaidens will never stop, until VRR is run into the ground.

Gee, tough call as to who is in the right here!
TRAs would rather kill an org that supports their number, than let them exist without capitulating to all their demands. Seems 'logical'.

I've always been a feminist but never got into the theory of it all. I don't know if I am a radical feminist, but everything indicates I am, for the critique of transgenderism and not less importantly for the stance of prostitution and pornography. One thing for certain I am not and never have been a liberal feminist

I think this applies to many and I don't like the label radical feminist - but the term feminist has been undermined and tainted by libfems. The feminist theory and its buzzwords can get in the way of women, I fear, who know right from wrong and want a fair go for all women.

Feminist didn't label themselves radical.
I'm an ordinary old-school feminist who's had their views cemented as life hurled its challenges at me - I have well and truly woken up and I am angry at the groundhog day experience I have lived

TRAs would rather kill an org that supports their number, than let them exist without capitulating to all their demands. Seems 'logical'

That's a very important point to keep reminding people - and an illustration those TRAs are not interested in the issue of trans rights at all, but of access to vulnerable women

was reading an account of transactivists targeting a sweet shop in Vancouver. Their crime was to put up a poster giving details of the Vancouver rape refuge.

Yes, I read about that. Disgraceful bullying.

[Young women]
They see so much evidence of how much men hate women
See I would very much disagree with that. As a teenager I certainly felt powerless and kind of..laughed at, but men were generally universally nice and helpful to me until I got past late 30s. Yes I got cat called, and hated it, but they were shouting "complimemts".
It's funny that I'm not usually cat called now, but if I was I wouldn't give a shit. Im not intimidated by men anymore.I'd probably show them my arse like a baboon.

I more was talking about online. Sorry I should have made that clear.

What I don't get about the trans activists getting mad about being shut out of women's shelters etc is why, if they want shelters etc so badly, they don't start their own?

They can make it for transpeople and for women who don't mind sharing that space with them.

What they are objecting to with this is a shelter not allowing trans identified males to work there as rape counsellors. The shelter takes trans clients.

Well yeah-it's not like men went "I know, let's set up women's refuges".
Reguges were grassroots organisations, set up by women for women.
That's why it pisses me off when men go "where are all the men's refuges?"
Er..set one up?

Sorry Erishkal I see what you mean now RE young women.

They can make it for transpeople and for women who don't mind sharing that space with them.

That is fairly dismissive ThisIsTheFirstStep.

It is pretty clear you have no idea what has been happening to the women's sector (Women's Aid, Rape Crisis) over the last eight years. Funding attrition/blackmail. Have you never stopped to think that abused women, fleeing from possibly a life and death situation, really don't have the niceties or energy to deal with THIS, the one on the right of screen btw ?

TRAs will never 'start their own shelters'. They never wanted that to begin with. They wanted ACCESS to women's shelters, for various reasons, none of those good reasons.

That's why it pisses me off when men go "where are all the men's refuges?" Er..set one up?

One smarmy bastard where I am used council funds to set up a women's refuge with some police mates - sounds good - well he has a DV conviction! He named the refuge after himself and only backed off the name when a national newspaper took up the campaign and shamed him.

He set it up as a FU to all the local women's refuges who are overwhelmed with demand and crying out for space.

It stands empty most of the time as it's run by police volunteers and is not part of the women's refuge movement. It's not safe for women in other words.

That's why it pisses me off when men go "where are all the men's refuges?"

I am told that the UK had men's DV shelters. They ALL shut down due to lack of demand.

He named the refuge after himself and only backed off the name when a national newspaper took up the campaign and shamed him.

I remember this. Stands empty? Not surprised.

They ALL shut down due to lack of demand

That's why the MRAs don't parrot that anymore - they successfully undermined all the funding and policies for women's refuges so game over from their perspective

urgh its infuriating that some men think like that!! Women's refuges are in a major resource crisis and are barely staying a float! They only survive now on charity and amazing women who run them! Do men want us to set their's up for them too then? idiots.

I remember this.

Yep it's used once a month I heard recently - for an emergency overnight stay. It's still crowed as a success(sic) in the local press by his mates - WTF!!

LaSqrrl Sorry, who am I being dismissive of?

I'm not suggesting that funding get taken away from women's shelters or that women's shelters get taken over by those that are for transwomen too. I'm suggesting that they set up their own shelters with privately raised money.

I'm perfectly aware of what has been going on in the women's sector, but thanks for declaring I don't know instead of terming it in a less patrosining way.

And FTR, I've BEEN that abused woman fleeing from a violent partner, so please don't treat me like some clueless idiot.

I didn't know that LaSqrrl I'm in favour of refuges for men but it really is down to them to run them.
I think this is what men really really don't get-the work that women do. Nothing we have has been handed to us, it's all a result of women working tirelessly behind the scenes for no money.

There was an attempt to create a shelter for trans people in California but when I just looked everything I could find was from 2014, so not sure what the current status is. Seemed like a good idea though.

archives.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2014/05/23/community-raises-money-to-open-transgender-shelter-in-oakland

@ProfessionalBarren
Sorry haven’t RTFT but a page ago you were wondering about whether radical feminism would be against IVF.

I am not well read in this area but I am gender critical and pro choice on reproduction. Choice on whether or not, or how to get pregnant. So safe legal accessible publicly funded contraception and abortion rights, compulsory sex and relationships education in schools, and same for supporting reproductive choice including via IVF or other methods.
So as to help women who want to try for a pregnancy get proper medical assistance to do so. I also think parental choice on embryo selection is important to offer for families who know their children are at risk of something serious which is inherited and who want to use IVF technologies to do that.

but whether or not that’s available or people want to use that there must be proper care and support for people born with those conditions. Neither of which, the medical care or the support the state (via the NHS or social care) is at all adequately funded to provide at the moment.

I think all of the above are consistent with women’s rights. You can’t ignore the social context though and I think that’s what we need to tackle (radically). Reproductive technology like any other tech (or social media) is only as safe or ethical as the people who use it so I think the law and transparent professional regulation have a huge part to play.

Thisis: Sorry, who am I being dismissive of?

Ok, well I think then I may have misinterpreted what you were saying by:

They can make it for transpeople and for women who don't mind sharing that space with them.

I took it to mean women's shelters could open up to trans, and those women "who didn't mind" could share. I see now it could be taken the other way, trans shelters that would be inclusive of women.

The reason I did not see that initially? Because that latter scenario would never happen. IF, in the remote scenario that T set up shelters, for all their talk of 'inclusiveness', would never include women. Their version of 'inclusiveness' only works one way.

So now you should see why I misinterpreted your comment. What you hypothetically proposed, would never happen in a million years. That possibly is why I seemed 'condescending' towards you, you proposed a scenario as likely as the Tories coming up with decent social welfare policies. All filed under: Never gunna happen.

@LaSqrrl

Please can you put a trigger warning next time you post a link to a picture of Daniel(le) Muscato 'flaunting his pins'. Thank you.