Genderquake

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Are we ready for this?? I'm already angry....... Just from the trailer.

Except the woman on there had a rare chromosomal disorder - so wasn't she possibly intersex? Did she? I didn't hear that part. I must have missed the very beginning. She still had a very entitled attitude and was very patronising. I thought, based on those couple of minutes, that the trans identified man had a more reasonable, less aggressive attitude!

Though he did seem to say he was fine in real life as he 'passed' very well and had never had any issues with being misgendered!

That's were my socialisation remains... I would call him 'she' to his face, use whatever name and pronoun he chose. But I would not think he was a woman... I would know he is a trans identified man.

In the last year or so I have gone from:
anyone can be whatever the hell they like, to

fuck that, a man is a man, a woman a woman, all gender is bollocks, to

look be whatever gender you want but don't expect me to buy into it...

and now I am veering back to fuck that a man is a man a woman is a woman and gender bending is nothing new, get over yourselves.

I suspect I will stay with that attitude and may well be much more vocal, dismissive. TRAs have a lot to answer for and my personal lack of acceptance is symptomatic of that!

yes, I would see genderbender as a positive description!

bend gender all you like and I will cheer you to the rafters. just don't believe you have to pretend you've changed sex to do so.

I grew up through the 70s and 80s. As has been said on many posts, back then gender bending was something almost everyone did. From musicians in glam rock bands to Annie Lennox, Marilyn to Boy George, Phi Oakey to Adam Ant.

My generation didn't bat an eye lid. Even DH worked on building sites with a hod carrier who wore make up to work and liked slinky dresses in the pub! Nobody cared. He was who he was.

All of this current palaver is a huge backwards step and I don't know what happened to make the next generations so closed minded that this is all deemed necessary!

I like the idea of gender bending when it is a challenge to patriarchal and class power.

I don't like the idea of gender bending when it is an expression of a hyper-individualised ideology, appropriates other people's oppression and pretends societal power relations don't exist.

I've started calling the latter Glitter Thatcherism.

Same here, Curious. 70s/80s upbringing.

I wonder if it' a backlash against those times to be honest - a conservative backlash. A re-reinforcement of gender stereotypes.

If so, the 'recruitment' of the progressive left, and the policing of the language (to an almost totalitarian state level) is a victory indeed.

It's Orwellian.

That'll do it for me too! I think I'd add I also like and would encourage gender bending just for the hell of it, for the sheer joy of it or the sheer ignorance of there being a problem with it!

But Glitter Thatcherism, Glitter Fascism, Glittery Bullying, Deluded Tinsel... Post Gordon Gecko Angst... yep!

I just watched the BBC Breakfast interview on catchup - it sounds like the "Great Brainwashing of Tom"

Oh yes! That's a good description of it!

Glitter Thatcherism

Love this Lang!

4thwavenow.com/2018/05/05/detransitioned-man-blasts-transworld/

I thought this article was quite pertinent to this discussion. It's by a man who transitioned in his 40s and then detransitioned. Makes sobering reading

I just watched this bit which had a clip in it. I thought it was all very much about learning and respecting etc. I wonder how much males are interested in learning about females and showing respect. Maybe we need a new programme on that. But my guess is that that would be considered old hat. 'Gender' is very much the flavour of the month/year/decade.

I do think there is room for films about Gender and about Sex and they should not conflate the two.

I was trying to work out what I would say to them. "Sorry to disappoint but I don't go gender. You're a bloke and you're a green/blue haired young woman with a heightened sense of entitlement

Except the woman on there had a rare chromosomal disorder - so wasn't she possibly intersex?

The transwoman/intersex person (I wasn't clear which) on the right called Brooke had a chromosomal disorder. The non-binary person with green hair called Saffron didn't mention any disorder and IMO appeared obviously biologically female.

It's funny, I could very easily label myself non-binary if I wanted to. There are so many ways in which I do not comply with stereotypical female gender stereotypes. But I don't say I am non-binary because the older I get the more I realise that gender stereotypes are bollocks and that it would be wrong and presumptuous to assume that A) all other women feel like they do identify with the gender stereotypes and B) that those who do present in a stereotypical way do so out of free choice rather than societal pressure.

TRA are cross about the trailer. Maybe GQ will be a bit terfy.

Tara Hewitt here

Can't view this from where I am, is this one of those situations where TRAs are frothing because they have no sense of humor? As in, is the trailer literally about penises "becoming" vaginas or was it trying to be cute and funny?

Thanks Ally I hadn't been able to make any sense out the info earlier, as I hadn't realised the trans identified man was the one who had the chromosome disorder. I heard him say he hadn't ever had a problem as he 'passed' - I think he used that term.

So yes, you are right, non binary can meand nothing other than "Today I shall wear knickers, tomorrow maybe boxers"

If I would never wear boxers but it's mostly because I hate the feeling of elastic around my waist what gender is that?

There is no Transphobia on this page, this is TRAphobia!

They seem ever so cross

TRA are reporting the Genderquake trailer to Ofcom.

Can't view this from where I am, is this one of those situations where TRAs are frothing because they have no sense of humor? As in, is the trailer literally about penises "becoming" vaginas or was it trying to be cute and funny?

Does this link work for you?
www.dailymail.co.uk/video/tvshowbiz/video-1679054/Genderquake-promo-Channel-4-exploring-gender.html
Apologies that it is from the Daily Fail and they will make you sit through an advert first.

I think the advert is trying to be cute, but I also think they might have phrased it like that because if they say 'Men are becoming women' then some TRAs will get annoyed and say 'We always were women'. I don't envy C4 if they are trying to produce programmes about the concept of gender without pissing people on both sides off.

"Dear Ofcom, this ad suggests that genitalia is a thing people have. Please arrange to have the makers arrested."

Is it possible that this could actually be a good thing? Bringing the debate into the mainstream?