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Employment law and pregnant men

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YesILikeItToo · 05/05/2018 15:24

Does anyone know what the impact of including transmen in the legal definition of man would be in the context of workplace law? Would it erode rights arising from rules on indirect discrimination if men get pregnant too? Or would the fact that so few men would be involved leave these rights in place?

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keyboardjellyfish · 05/05/2018 22:03

@Simon Of course this would be the ideal way to be treated but unfortunately it is not what's happening :(

GorgonLondon · 05/05/2018 22:04

Yes jellyfish , I'd love to learn how your partner's decision to deliberately take hormones that are known to cause sterility would be concealed if they had a GRC?

GorgonLondon · 05/05/2018 22:06

My god, while the NHS is on its knees, there are people who not only think the NHS should supply them with hormones to make them infertile, but should then pay for fertility treatment afterwards.

keyboardjellyfish · 05/05/2018 22:07

Oh @Gorgon! The one who decided that adoptive mothers aren't mothers because they don't give birth! How lovely to hear from you again :)

To answer the less stupid part of your question, a GRC would class us as a same sex couple which would give us the appropriate treatment for our situation.

keyboardjellyfish · 05/05/2018 22:07

Any other questions for people who aren't gonnae have a go? Cos I'm actually enjoying most of this.

Elletorro · 05/05/2018 22:07

Also Keyboard

Not a question as such but an observation from my own pregnancies which might be helpful.

I HATED them, I felt trapped in my body, constantly sick and nauseous for 24 hours a day for 6 months for the 1st and 9 for the 2nd. I detested the fact that I had to be the one to be pregnant so we could have kids. I felt betrayed. My body became alien territory. My breasts went up from a b cup to a J. I can’t imagine how horrible that might have felt if I’d also had gender dysphoria. I’m not saying this to upset you but to prewarn you

GorgonLondon · 05/05/2018 22:08

Oh I see, so you'd then be able to lie and get more free treatment for self-inflicted problems.

How would you be a same sex couple, I thought you were a man?

keyboardjellyfish · 05/05/2018 22:09

Yeah I've been warned @Elle. It is probably going to be crap :( But oh my god, so worth it.

GorgonLondon · 05/05/2018 22:10

Oh @Gorgon! The one who decided that adoptive mothers aren't mothers because they don't give birth! How lovely to hear from you again smile

How lovely to join the list of posters whose words you've either deliberately twisted beyond all recognition, or are unable to understand.

I said absolutely nothing of the kind. You are lying.

I said that if you got pregnant and gave birth to a baby you would be its mother, not its father .

I said absolutely nothing about adoptive mothers. Are you unable to understand or purposely lying?

Elletorro · 05/05/2018 22:10

Gorgon

Lying means intending to deceive. This couple believe in their preferred genders so they are not lying

keyboardjellyfish · 05/05/2018 22:11

No. You will be the mother. You will be the person who supplied the ovum, who grew the baby in your womb, who gave birth. That is LITERALLY the definition of mother

Lol.

keyboardjellyfish · 05/05/2018 22:12

Thank you @Elle Flowers

GorgonLondon · 05/05/2018 22:12

They would be lying about the cause of the OP's partner's sterility, Elle

keyboardjellyfish · 05/05/2018 22:13

I must say after quite a few months of lurking on threads like these it becomes obvious very quickly which people have hatred towards trans folks and which people simply want to learn. @Gorgon falls into the first category and I will be ignoring her from now on.

However I welcome any genuine questions of interest from anyone else :)

GorgonLondon · 05/05/2018 22:14

Thanks for assuming my gender jellyfish

IronMansIronButt · 05/05/2018 22:14

Lying means intending to deceive. This couple believe in their preferred genders so they are not lying

Still lying. Or severe delusion, if you prefer.

GorgonLondon · 05/05/2018 22:17

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theeyeofthestormchaser · 05/05/2018 22:17

I agree with Gorgon.

Also, you will be the one who can breastfeed your child - as you are a born female and you will have given birth.

Your transwoman partner will not be able to breastfeed as they are a man - and surely they wouldn’t be happy about taking hormones to enable them to lactate that may pass to the baby?

Elletorro · 05/05/2018 22:17

How hard did you pursue the indirect discrimination relating to the way in which your partners’ infertility was determined to be self inflicted Keyboard?

I’m really interested. If it’s too much for a public board please dm me.

IronMansIronButt · 05/05/2018 22:19

I'm guessing if people have been taking hormonal medication, they might not be fertile anymore, so need more resources?

So they'd need more public money to get pregnant, because they purposefully made themselves infertile?

As she has taken hormones, she is classed as sterilising herself on purpose. As some of you may know this is a criteria for free fertility treatment and because of this we are automatically not eligible

Luckily the inmates aren't running the asylum just yet then.

keyboardjellyfish · 05/05/2018 22:20

@Elle I don't want to go into too much detail because it's still being harshly pursued- hope you understand.

DubiousFeminist · 05/05/2018 22:21

There are plenty of chemical and surgical treatments that have the side effect of infertility - many of which are life saving.

I am aware that in some cases, the individuals exposed to the risk of infertility are offered the option of 'freezing' their eggs/sperm.

Is this option available to people who are prescribed drugs to transition ?

keyboardjellyfish · 05/05/2018 22:21

@theey The hormones wouldn't harm the baby- they're the same hormones that women who naturally lactate produce anyway.

noeffingidea · 05/05/2018 22:22

Keyboardjellyfish hi Smile. I'm interested in your partner not being able to produce sperm (or sufficient sperm) as a result of their hormone treatment. Were they advised of this possibility prior to treatment, is it reversible if the hormone therapy was temporarily stopped, and were they offered the facility of saving/freezing sperm on the NHS ?

noeffingidea · 05/05/2018 22:23

Sorry, I see I've cross posted with Dubiousfeminist.