Letter in The Guardian from Transexuals saying self ID not the answer

[invisibleoldwoman]

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/may/04/standing-up-for-transsexual-rights?CMP=share_btn_fb

MNT posted one of my posts, it's still up here. I do think however, MN is becoming very trigger happy.

Both posts have been reinstated now.

But the next shift at MumsnetTransphobia Twitter will simply report them again I dare say.

If you are watching this thread - I WAS QUOTING THE LETTER IN THE GUARDIAN YOU NUMBSKULLS.

Are they deleting tweets as soon as the report is actioned on? I'm not seeing anything beyond the 2nd of May there

I'm new to Twitter though so I might be twittering wrong...

The person who set up those Twitter accounts said they'd now been shut down. Not sure why MN would still be taking reports from allegedly defunct accounts?

JustABrokenDoll It's a new account

For information; the response of the trans/ transgender/ transsexual world to the letter in the Guardian has been mixed, but mostly predictable. A " cancelling out " petition is being developed, and unsurprisingly there will be far more signatures than our 17. Well there would be, wouldn't there? As " trans" is a massive catch all, and is almost meaningless, there will be lots of people keen to sign.

The terms of the petition, though it appeals to emotion, does not currently address the issues that our letter tried to deal with. It is clear that people are driven by a wish for " right on" solidarity, and personal advantage **and not at the potentially dangerous developments for women, girls, and, yes, diagnosed transsexual people. And for people who are troubled, thinking they have found out why, and acting too hastily.

Life will go on, and so will the controversy. Not everyone likes us, we "signees", but a surprising number seem to be quietly supportive.
** Gender Dysphoria is not a nice thing to have, so people tend to look for a solution. Like sheep looking for a hole in the hedge to escape through. They don't think about what might be on the other side enough.

Is it me or is that twitter account very helpfully collating quite a lot of scientific factual statements all in one place?

It's like the flat earth society screen shotting Prof B Cox's musings about the Earth in space.

Ekphrasis I think the Twitter account is great. It shows just how impossible it is to speak without being called a transphobe. Let them carry on I say.

I think everyone I know who might see it would thing - "errr how is this transphobic?" And get thoroughly peak transed.

*Think

Ekphrasis Quite!

KayM2 I was a girl who wanted to be a boy. Turns out I am both autistic and bisexual, both "risk factors" if that's the right word for questioning one's gender.

That's why I'm worried. I'm worried for the children and young people like I was. I know I would've been extremely confused if I was growing up in the current climate, and feel a lot of pressure to identify as something. I wasn't a sexual being then so I wouldn't have recognised same-sex attraction as a possible solution.

I watched a 'mastectomy' regret video on YouTube earlier. In another lifetime that could've been me. That's where I come from.

I still don't understand why people can't appreciate that there are several very different but equally as valid perspectives to this.

cistersofterly;

I'm sorry about your experience. I've come across something similar a few times.... not the same, quite, t'other way..... I am against too rapid action by anyone on this sort of thing. Going too quickly / having surgery can lead to big regrets; I'm glad you avoided that, at least. Thanks for your reply.

There are increasing numbers of people supporting Lily Madigan's petition against Caitlin Jenner giving the diversity lecture and calling for Miranda Yardley (or Linda Bellos) to be a replacement.

see @Skepticat_UK 's twitter posts.

link to petition:
www.change.org/p/channel-4-don-t-let-caitlyn-jenner-give-the-parliamentary-diversity-lecture

Minor derail of thread:

@spontaneousgiventime JustABrokenDoll It's a new account
(twitter.com/mumsnetreport)

One of the very recent Tweets there says "Mumsnet are currently rewriting their forum posting guidelines too. Even so, for now we will continue to monitor @MumsnetTowers forums"

I can't see anything about this on Site Stuff, is it legit?

ShotsFired
It's an ongoing discussion here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3241575-Mumsnet-Grass-Account

Thanks @R0wantrees I hadn't seen the later posts about it since that thread started.

A " cancelling out " petition is being developed, and unsurprisingly there will be far more signatures than our 17. Well there would be, wouldn't there? As " trans" is a massive catch all, and is almost meaningless, there will be lots of people keen to sign.

Well of course. There are endless 'transgender' people under the new umbrella. I am fairly sure anyone could count as 'trans' by new definitions. I know I could.

Where actual transsexual people are fairly rare. And as abused by transactivists as women are

Thanks, onthelist. Quite right.
Earlier someone suggested either Miranda Yardley or Linda Bellos for the Diversity Lecture. Sometimes, reality is more surreal than any novelist could invent! Personally , I would go for someone like Stephen Whittle, but anyone whose name crops up will be divisive.

Stephen Whittle responds to the Guardian letter:
whittlings.blogspot.co.uk

(extract)
"Why on earth then would the Guardian choose to publish a reactionary and inflammatory letter, under this heading, when in fact the letter's authors want to take away core human rights that the trans community won in 2002 at the European Court of Human Rights.

The proposal suggested in the letter, which was written by a a tiny group of 'transsexual' women (their word, not mine) who support an even tinier minority of feminist women, would roll back key elements of the Gender Recognition Act 2004. "

Well, Stephen Whittle is a fine man, and brighter than most people, including me, but I can't see how he comes to that conclusion. It is most certainly not the intention of a few of those who signed I know. He says, apparently , that we are reactionary, and that the letter was inflammatory. I rather thought it was neither.

We want the current situation to continue. With a speedier and more speedy process, in my opinion.Some of us have had a bit of flack over it; loss of Facebook Friends, etc.I expected that, And I assume the others did, too. I have also been told by some who were not asked to sign, that they would have done, or would have done if they had not feared the backlash.

I really ought to edit more before I hit the " go" button. Probably it is clear what I was driving at.

I hope more people read the letter. If trans law changes and rights aren't for transexuals' benefit, then who are they for?

Whittle is the Boris Johnson of the gender debate.

People are completely taken in by SW's demeanour and apparent cleverness and so are distracted from the terrifying ideas SW actually espouses.

To be fair everyone who campaigns for women and girls to lose all sex-segregated space is a bad person. It's not just SW.