Letter in The Guardian from Transexuals saying self ID not the answer

[invisibleoldwoman]

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/may/04/standing-up-for-transsexual-rights?CMP=share_btn_fb

LassWiADelicateAir By the way it was me who brought Sweary's name onto this thread. I was defending her and I will do it again and again and again, so get used to it.

What does that even mean, Lass? That because you’ve seen my name on these boards you can slag me off for things I haven’t done? As you can see I haven’t passed comment on the letter on here and am clearly not having a go at TS speaking out against transactivism. I am standing up for myself when I’m subject to gaslighting.

Barackbarmer; re your post; I agree with everything that you say, except the last line. My existence has no effect on yours. Me being who and what I am does not impact on what you are. It doe snto seem to me that it does.
I am not a woman, I am as near to that as I can be, and I've worked at it, and in certain contexts I am in effect " a woman, or an honorary woman "or somesuch. ; I use the ladies loos. I am in a "Woman's Group in my political party.I tick the box marked F. But in other contexts I am not a woman at all, and never will be. But then, please..... after all this time..... please allow for me and other raddled old transsexual women not being, quite, a man? Would it hurt?
I do " get it" ( your phrase) , as best as I can. We do. We are just doing the best we can.

further to that tweet, in the comments below people speak about LM having schizophrenia - can this be true? It is such a hard mental illness to manage I thought LM was just talking bollocks and not to be taken seriously, just like all the other weird claims.

twitter.com/davessidekick/status/992657957224579072

LM has 'written' an article in Medium about their schizophrenia. It's very unusual for people at that age to get a diagnosis so they must be very badly affected.

please allow for me and other raddled old transsexual women not being, quite, a man? Would it hurt?

Translation:

I'm praying on your female socialisation to feel sorry for me.

Did you know there is a village in Durham called Pity me? You should move there, you'd fit in wonderfully.

It's very unusual for people at that age to get a diagnosis so they must be very badly affected.

Everyone I know who has been certified was when they were mid-to-late teens.

It is utterly debilitating and the medication makes you lose the edge of your intelligence. Horrific.

There tends to be two peaks of schizophrenia diagnosis - early adulthood and middle age.

Personally I'm of the view that these 'illnesses' are largely trauma based rather than organic brain diseases or chemical imbalances. LM has clearly had significant challenges in their short life that would test anybody's mental health.

Ok Lass whatever you say. I'm quite impressed with my reach in talking for other people if I can do it without even posting on the "ask a trans woman anything" thread that you cite as an example of my "arrogance and speaking for others".

I don't know what you're trying to achieve but please desist. Particularly if you're going to base your accusations on nothing but fantasies.

I just wish labour would give some more protection to this person.

Chiming in to support sweary

LassWiADelicateAir Frantically going through I am a trans thread to find swear, realises it was Spontaneous (as she's already picked me apart for my comments on that thread) then has to come and sheepishly apologise to Sweary. LOL

What word exists to describe ME and my biology that you will agree not to claim or adapt with a prefix?

In trans ideology there is no word to describe adult humans whose reproductive role is to gestate and bear young. Nor is there a word for adult humans whose reproductive role is to produce gametes to fertilise ova.

In the real world there are such words. They are 'women' and 'men'.

I'm of the view that these 'illnesses' are largely trauma based rather than organic brain diseases or chemical imbalances.

Sorry for the derail but it definitely runs in families, so there has to be an organic component - perhaps its latent until activated by trauma?

Jeez Louise Lass I can assure you that Sweary does not speak for me, nor do I think she has ever attempted to.

You are coming across quite strangely. Not sure what point you're making

It is great that this letter has been published in the Guardian. Showing up as 3rd most read in society section too.

Anyone with concerns about gender extremists and safeguarding of WAG usually faces a wall of #nodebate and screams of "transphobe" .Hopefully this letter can change that a little.
Guardian readers need to stop being scared of an Owen Jones tantrum and see that the extremists can be questioned.

I'm particularly happy that the writer made clear that fetishists are welcome under Stonewall's umbrella.

Well done to the writer and the signatories.

There isn't a halfway, or a near as dammit. There was a compromise, a courtesy, an indulgence that women would pretend. That courtesy has been cruelly abused, and transexual makes went along with the abuse until it began to affect them. Women don't owe them anything any more. If we support them, we do it through choice. They have no right to demand it, or indulge in emotional blackmail to extract it.

I am really happy that the letter recognised the existence of different groups of people with different interests and the need for clear, open discussion and debate. That is a starting point. Thank you.

Miranda back on Twitter retweeting some of the ahem.. feedback.

link

I did like this comment from Miranda:

"Hi Chrissy. I don’t hate you. I just think you’re a prick."

the medic is an expert in the categorisation system but can never be an expert in how it feels to be that person - has to rely on observation and subjective report.

You can say that about most mental health issues. Depression, phobias, ocd, even psychosis. It's all observation and subjective report. Remember the old Thud experiment..

There was a compromise, a courtesy,

Human rights are not a courtesy! Women should not have to ask for human rights or expect them as a courtesy and that includes transitioned women. They can demand them, same as anyone else, as they are protected as natural and legal by society.

( for info; tried to change my name on here from Ceinwen2 to Kay M. and had some help from MNHQ, and I still can't do it. I have dyscalculia, which does not help. Anyway; for Ceinwen2, read Kay M.. Nor does it help when someone makes personal remarks about me moving to Pity Me, which I am sure is a splendid place. I'm just trying to behave like a decent human being here, not looking for anyone's pity. )

Well it seems that Man Friday have also thanked the signatories of the letter.

Man FRIDAY
‏*@ManFRIDAY*_
15h15 hours ago
More Man FRIDAY Retweeted Miranda XYardley
Thank you @TerrorizerMir @DebbieHayton @KJ_Harrison @FionneOrlander and others.
You're all incredibly brave for sticking your heads above the parapet and challenging the #transcult (at personal cost).

Pity Me is actually just down the road from me.

I think..that some responses in this thread are maybe a bit harsh. For a long time people have posted that transsexual people should basically..stand up and be counted. And now some of them have done so and they are still in the wrong.

However, of course its up to other posters how they react. I am not going to say they are wrong or anything.

Honestly, not even sure what the point of posting this was, as it does come across a bit tone policey, which I tend to dislike