Hello all, man here! am i welcome to talk and learn a bit about stuff ?

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Ive done a little browsing in the feminism section and i admit its intriguing, please forgive my ignorance as i dont know alot about this all.

I just want to start by saying i was raised to respect everyone and i truly do, my view on equality is simply if some one, man or woman is good enough to do the specific job they aspire for then they have every right to get said job/goal, again if this is slight ignorance forgive me, i post this topic because i would like to learn and be less ignorant, love me some knowledge.. :)

So i suppose my question is broad and depends on the individual person's view, but what is the over reaching/ultimate goal of feminism ? or what does it mean to you personally ? and please, dont think im trolling or anything i genuinely want to learn a thing or two, thanks :)

As I say, there are probably millions of everyday experiences that I’m socialised not to notice, thaf I’d like to become aware of. So that I can change things for my dc.

Many of them are shared and discussed on this website.

We can all see that there are pages and pages of people's opinions here. The criticism of FWR on this thread makes no sense. Women are all over this website doing exactly what people on this thread are claiming we do not do. We see you. We see through you.
2nd rule of misogyny: Women saying no to men is a hate crime.
12th rule of misogyny: Women's ability to recognize male behavior patterns is misandry.

Yes, the “tell me again, I didn’t quite understand” routine. It goes with the “if only you used nicer words” complaint.

@QuackPorridgeBacon. A workplace crèche to accommodate breastfeeding would have been good for 6-12 months. Then paternity leave for at least 6 months after so the default parent / house elf dynamic isn't set in stone - if this was the case across society there would gradually become more co parenting by default, and as dads would be taking long paternity leaves there would be less discrimination against women who take maternity leaves. Ditto for part time working and compressed hours. And it would start to fight back against the internal prejudice that mothers get for having parental duties.

MillicentF Those are very good points. I don’t believe in religion really and I don’t support any political party because where I live I’ve no clue about it as I wasn’t raised here and where I did live it doesn’t matter enough to get into it deeply because I cannot ever vote.

Ahh I see. I didn’t know the workplace crèche was a thing. Would that only be possible with proper career jobs? I’m not very clued up as embarrassingly I’ve never worked a proper job before. Would it also work for the likes of shop work or fast food places?

Fair enough- I was just trying to find parallels. It reallly does seem to be only feminism where some people think that you have to agree with everything every feminist has ever said or you can’t be one.

As usual the self declared male OP returned to inform us that he was greeted with hate (nope) and so everything bad that he was told about Feminism is proven true. They are reliable in that regard if no other.

FYI, for those who care, hate is the verb. The noun is hatred. Just a bit of information that was recently shared with me that I pass on in hopes of improving the accuracy of the accusations leveled at Feminists every effing day.

Rufustheyawningreindeer Fri 04-May-18 08:59:37

Oh and i dont think ive ever seen

All men are rapists

It is a misquote that misogynists attribute to Andrea Dworkin. That is not what she said, but I do not think you will be surprised that men have been repeating this particular zombie lie ever since. They say it is an ill wind that blows nobody any good so we can thank the men who never stop telling this lie for Starling's brilliant Schroedinger's Rapist essay. kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/

Rufus I always attribute your typos to awkward hoofing.

thebewilderness

Oh yes.

thebewilderness

Much love to you. xx

Bewilderness I lurk mostly on fwr, I post rarely. But I find your posts really articulate and helpful in clarifying the issues. Many of the women on fwr are much braver than I am, and I think it's worth saying thankyou for that.

Oh for gawds sake, will people stop fawning round bewilderness, it's embarrassing! Welcome back OP, keep watching and joining in

OP I think one of the most important things for a genuinely pro-equality man to do is not how you relate to women or "advertise" that men can be decent human beings, but how you relate to men and the peer pressure you can use to not give silent consent to poor behaviour and to speak out when you witness sexism. Don't be a bystander.

If someone directly references me i reply leggre

Its called manners

OP, when you said you were leaving earlier, that's called a "flounce", but women do it much better than men!

No I won't.

Millicent helpfully posted a list on one of the other many man threads.

1. Stop using porn
2. Stop using prostitutes

3.Take full and equal responsibility for domestic work and child care

1. Always challenge misogynist attitudes and behaviour in their workplaces
2. Always challenge misogynist attitudes, speech and behaviors in their social lives.
3. Stop hitting people
4. Stop killing people
5. Stop raping people.

Simple but not easy for men it seems.

"Oh for gawds sake, will people stop fawning round bewilderness,"

I agree. Start fawning around ME!!!!!!!

Ok Millicent Birds, more fool you! (That's what someone said to me when I was forgiving dh for messing up the shopping). He had a list fgs!

birdsdestiny and Elendon

You are very kind. I am not bothered by being targeted, just so peeps know.
Hectoring like this shows us who they are, and so I think we should take the advice of Maya Angelou and believe them.

Rufus would you pls bring your dainty hooves here for a mo?
MillicentF is in need of some fawning.

OP, having schizophrenia will no doubt bring hurtful comments to yourself at times and that must be awful? But what do you think about the fact that mostly women can't go anywhere without being judged, leered at, sexual comments being made? And what do the women you know (mother, girlfriend, sisters, colleagues, etc) feel about this? And what do they think of feminism, women's rights, etc? How would both you and they like it to change?

Well according to leggere a is 'fawning'

So that should be easy

Especially as i 'fawned' round leggere a minute ago

millicent

YY bewiderness, very funny (it was actually)