Hello all, man here! am i welcome to talk and learn a bit about stuff ?

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Ive done a little browsing in the feminism section and i admit its intriguing, please forgive my ignorance as i dont know alot about this all.

I just want to start by saying i was raised to respect everyone and i truly do, my view on equality is simply if some one, man or woman is good enough to do the specific job they aspire for then they have every right to get said job/goal, again if this is slight ignorance forgive me, i post this topic because i would like to learn and be less ignorant, love me some knowledge.. :)

So i suppose my question is broad and depends on the individual person's view, but what is the over reaching/ultimate goal of feminism ? or what does it mean to you personally ? and please, dont think im trolling or anything i genuinely want to learn a thing or two, thanks :)

Yesterday a school teacher, today a man, lots of curious people. Could we set up an education thread we could direct people to? Read this feminist 101 first kinda thing?

@leggere feck sake don't have an opinion for it. You'll get shot. I agree with you and feel that by making this fella unwelcome they are actually damaging what they are trying to support. I'm happy to educate anyone on anything if they ask and think the way this has been dealt with feels mob handed. Deliberately isolating people who don't think.how they do. I'm a woman I don't feel oppressed. I think if you go through like feeling like a victim you will in fact never be anything else. I have been raped. I have been assaulted by men. Do I hate them or feel damaged...nope. I am a strong independent woman who has worked dam hard to be taken serious but do you know what....its doable....and I'm proud of myself....not an ounce of.angry

Does anyone have a good recipe for Lemon Curd?

I make a mean lemon curd.....

MissReginaPhilange

1. there are many feminist resources the OP could have accessed without asking women to do work for him

• he could have quietly read this board for a while like most people do
• he could have used google
• he could have gone to his local library

2. with all these resources available why is it the job of anyone here to 'educate people'? Lots of people here have educated me, but only because I put the work in to stick around and get myself up to speed

3. telling a man that his socialisation is showing (expecting women to be pleased to do work for him) is not intolerance. It's honesty

4. admiration butters no parsnips. I would suggest your partner of 10 years could better spend their energy helping you with all the work you do rather than admiring you

5. I hope the check you are going for turns out to be OK

stick around why don't you. It's fun here.

"In this thread posters could have explained to the OP what is happening at the moment with the trans issue and the danger it poses to women and girls, but oh no, just tell him he's phrased his op wrongly and that he needs to read books."

@leggere - My comment about the wording of the OP wasn't being snidey, it was a genuine piece of advice. As you've seen, it immediately annoyed a number of posters which then set the tone for the thread.

and one more, thing, then I promise I'll stop bumping the thread.

I have found this thread so educational.

Watching women rush to be really quite nasty to other women for the crime of pointing out to a man that he's behaving like a fool has been quite the eye opener.

truly socialisation runs deep.

I know you predicted this up front Jean but I have learned a lot from seeing it play out.

Watching women rush to be really quite nasty to other women for the crime of pointing out to a man that he's behaving like a fool has been quite the eye opener.

Never fails to disappoint, does it?

There were posters who came on and gave the OP some information,

There also seem to be posters who dont want to help the OP at all, they just want to tell other people off for not helping

On just about every thread on mumsnet you have posters (not necessarily my opinion) that are helpful, unhelpful, rude and downright scary

I dont get it

Its weird

(Plus you can't prove im not a reindeer its the hooves that makes my typing shit)

Oh and i dont think ive ever seen

All men are rapists

And another thing

(Joking...I've got nothing)

Being relatively new to this space spent quite a bit of time putting together a helpful response which the OP didn't even acknowledge, I suspect when I've done that a couple more times I'll be telling the next one to go away as well.

Unlike real life, being polite to men wasting our time is not compulsory on MN...

In this thread posters could have explained to the OP what is happening at the moment with the trans issue and the danger it poses to women and girls, but oh no, just tell him he's phrased his op wrongly and that he needs to read books.

Yes, and you are free to do so if you wish.

@leggere "...there are TRA's on mn feminists boards deliberately preventing men from joining in"

I don't agree.

I think some of us explain things to men and others if us point out how Mich men expect women to do for them. I'm generally in the former category, but I admire those in the later category.

Anyone can join either category at any time.

"...this could be a brilliant place for both women and men for debate." This is a brilliant place for debate. It is open to men and women. I don't see that women being honest damages that. But actually I do feel a degree of fawning over male posters can definitely damage that.

"I've said a number of times that I would like to hear what the man has to say and either been completely ignored or told what the man is doing "wrong"." How have you been ignored in wanting to hear what the OP says? If you want to listen it is down to him to speak. He started the thread, presumably he is up for discussion so ask him a question.

"Another opportunity missed!" There are multiple opportunities daily to hear what men think! Ask the OP a question. Please stop accusing long term posters of being make or TRA. It's very divisive, OMHO.

I notice the OP hasn't been back either

Or lolli watsername.

I suspect MNHQ escorted her to the door and advised her to lay off the blue slush puppies.

I would like to start yelling out the extras.

But I may need support. Can anyone point me to some kind of guide?

Is it '...loved him, like FISH FINGERS!'?

another lazy man wanting women to put the effort in for him. Read some books and stop expecting women to educate you.

Hint to OP: Lurk and read, lurk and read. And after that? Lurk and read more.

The 'all men are rapists' chestnut that is usually used to point out quite how deluded and unreasonable feminists are, is really only a problem to those hard of thinking IMO.

Quite obviously the vast majority of men do not go through life raping women.
I too love several men in my life, even my utterly, utterly sexist dinosaur of a father with whom even at 85 lively debate is possible and enjoyable (although he is quite puzzled that the fruit of his loins turned in to a RadFem in her middle years).
Nothing wrong with many men as individuals, a whole lot wrong with the societal construct that is patriarchy.

And ALL men have the tool to rape so are "potential' rapists. It's not that hard to understand.

Personally, I don't go as far as seeing ALL PIV sex as 'rape' as some do, but, you know, horses for courses.

Certain, here you go - enjoy! [buiscuit]

Ah poo:

Hmmmm seems as though feminism is bitchiness and chips on shoulders. Good grief you give us a bad name.

Astonishing that some can see a mild admonishment and some helpful references as "bitchiness and chips on shoulders".