Trans Media Watch has written to parliament saying 'trans identified male' can be considered as hate speech, and that Mumsnet users referring to penises are being transphobic.

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Trans Media Watch appears to want the term 'trans identified male', or indeed referring to them as 'men' to be understood as hate speech and deems Mumsnet 'of particular concern'. This really has to be read to be believed; here is their written submission to the Home Affairs Committee: data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/home-affairs-committee/hate-crime-and-its-violent-consequences/written/82105.pdf. It is quite the collection of lies and misrepresentations designed to completely malign women, the only good thing about it is that it is so obviously one-sided that most rational people would see that.

Worth sharing this article on how the committee has been approaching the matter, and how at least some MP's want women silenced: blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate/

Keep resisting!

Ok let's get cis and terf referred as hate speech too.

Good idea

Oh that too would probably be considered 'psychologically harmful to their identity'...

Jesus
They simply want total capitulation, the next few months will be pivotal.

Womens rights are NOT negotiable and Men do not get to take them away.

13. In recent months the media narrative has continued as largely critical, unbalanced and inaccurate – the protections of single sex spaces are governed by the Equality Act and will not be affected by any of the administrative changes proposed to the Gender Recognition Act

Apart from when gender neutral signs are stuck over them?

18 out of the latest 26 threads are conversations on trans rights, with a large number of posts alleging variations of “trans women are men”.

No shit sherlock?

large number of posts alleging variations of “trans women are men”.

Some of them by transwomen.

I'm not really fond of the concept of hate crime because it seems too open to abuse however given that it is a thing in law perhaps we should be lobbying hard for misogyny to be added as a hate crime.

Then we could have our own misogyny media watch to counteract the bullshit that passes itself off as progressive.

Maybe we should make a list of all the policy documents and organisations which either recommend or have actually put into practice the eradication of sex segregated spaces?
Are women's organisations invited to submit? Or is it only the favoured few voices that get heard in this democracy of ours?

(extract)
Of particular current concern is Mumsnet. Originally set up to be a support group for mothers, the website has expanded to have a variety of “boards”
. The feminist activism board seems to have become an area for those opposed to trans rights to organise. 18 out of the latest 26 threads are conversations on trans rights, with a large number of posts alleging variations of “trans women are men”. The feminist chat board also has a number of threads on the “trans agenda”, containing posts such as “I have no hatred for transwomen, I just don't want to be anywhere near humans who were born
with a penis”
. While concern is current, this does not seem to be a new phenomenon, as a piece published in Vice17 in 2016 reports:
“Are you saying it shouldn't affect us if a man walks in with cock and balls and expects us to just go about our business?" asked one user. "Where are these studies that prove trans women are more vulnerable to suicide and murder and all the rest of it? I've
never seen anything convincing compared to the stark statistics on the female victims of male violence," wrote another.
This is despite Justine Roberts (the owner of Mumsnet) saying “Transphobia is against our guidelines and we delete and ban users who are repeat offenders”
. On 15 April, Justine was quoted in the Sunday Times alleging that trans activists are pressurising advertisers to remove their adverts from Mumsnet, saying “What’s worrying to me is
the thought-police action around speech and the shutting down of the right to be able to disagree and immediately labelling it as transphobic.”

previous thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3233421-Home-Affairs-Committee-Hate-crime-enquiry-Newspaper-editors-interviewed

[[James Kirkup's article in The Spectator response discussed here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3237268-James-Kirkup-article-Why-are-some-MPs-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate]]

Ova - https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/police-force-treating-misogyny-as-hate-crime-receives-reports-from-girls-as-young-as-12ukk_5ae988bfe4b022f71a036f30

Thanks Errol Good to see the idea is being taken seriously somewhere.

I was under the impression there had to actually be a crime, before it could be a hate crime, but I could easily be wrong...

I really don't think that they can go after 'trans identified males'' though can they?

How can you possibly go after that? You'd have to go after all the doctors and biology teachers after that, because male/female are (to the contrary of what's being pushed) very common and well understood designators for body types!

As misogyny isn't a hate crime I don't think women are even being considered in the business of this committe, that is why I think misogyny becoming a hate crime is a good step. I personally believe in freedom of speech, and my own view re hate speech is very limited in terms of what I would deem as such. For eg this nonsense that it's hate speech if someone, anyone, thinks that it is, needs to end. But right now we are the only group with specific protections in the EA who don't have laws prohibiting hate speech/hate crime towards us as a group. This means that we don't get a look in when it comes to looking at how laws can better protect us. But also, arguing how misogyny functions to harm women means engaging feminist arguments, and we need a good dose of that in our policy making at the moment. The govt and politicians at all levels are constantly bombarded with trans ideology, but they are never getting the feminist case for women and girls. We need to change that.

Here is why we are saying what we are saying. The intention is to demobilise women and girls. Are they surprised this is getting a pushback?

This is hate speech masquerading as public policy.

www.socresonline.org.uk/12/1/whittle.html

the implications of the Gender Recognition Act for our contemporary legal understanding of sex. We ask, and attempt to answer, has �sex� changed?

Gender Identity; Legal identities

Sex cannot be changed. It is no good the Minister shaking his head. Sex is decided by the chromosomes of a human being. If we have XX chromosomes, we are women; if we have XY chromosomes, we are men. I might perhaps accept the Bill if an additional requirement for registering changes of gender were that it had been discovered that those concerned had inappropriate chromosomes for the sex in which they had been registered. That is the only way in which the Bill could avoid telling a lie. So far as I know, there is no law nor any known medical procedure that can change the sex of a human being. The Bill purports to do so. It is therefore an objectionable farce. (Lord Tebbit, Gender Recognition Bill, House of Lords Second Reading, 18/12/03, Hansard: Column 1304)

It is an objectionable farce.

They really don’t like us do they? I count that as a positive. No one tries to shut down harmless opponents

Screw your courage to the sticking post ...

Of particular current concern is Mumsnet. Originally set up to be a support group for mothers, the website has expanded to have a variety of “boards”

How bloody dare we!

^ "Where are these studies that prove trans women are more vulnerable to suicide and murder and all the rest of it? I've
never seen anything convincing compared to the stark statistics on the female victims of male violence,"^

Well, it's easy to do away with that one - show us the evidence, and that's us told....

Or of course you could just complain that we asked the question and say it's bigoted to do so - but that really does feel like a child trying to avoid the awkward questions regarding the missing easter egg and the chocolate around its mouth...

I’m sure since TMW singled out this ‘hate speech’ from Mumsnet, they provided stats showing that actually TW are murdered at a higher rate, right? If not, what is the problem then?

"Where are these studies that prove trans women are more vulnerable to suicide and murder and all the rest of it?”

DisturblinglyOrangeScrambleEgg Great point :)

If 'trans identified male' - which is entirely descriptive as a term as people are saying - becomes hate speech, all you would need to do is say or do something that is considered a crime, and if you used this term it would then also become a hate crime. Obvs we don't go round committing crimes, but when Posie Parker has been interviewed under caution for comments on castration and Linda Bellos has been interviewed under caution for saying she'd fight back if attacked by males when we attend talks on gender etc, it's easy to see how - what is essentially police misuse of power imo - could lead to an arrest and it then becoming a hate crime when someone hasn't done a thing wrong. We really are living in a misogynistic state at this point...

We've exceeding our scope which was prams, nappies and maybe some recreational knitting.

How very dare we stick our noses into politics.

*exceeded

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at this point...

When were we not?

the test will be if any MPs actually take this shit seriously

Bowlofbabelfish Wed 02-May-18 20:11:39
"They really don’t like us do they? I count that as a positive. No one tries to shut down harmless opponents

Screw your courage to the sticking post ..." My thinking as well :D