Trans Media Watch has written to parliament saying 'trans identified male' can be considered as hate speech, and that Mumsnet users referring to penises are being transphobic.

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Trans Media Watch appears to want the term 'trans identified male', or indeed referring to them as 'men' to be understood as hate speech and deems Mumsnet 'of particular concern'. This really has to be read to be believed; here is their written submission to the Home Affairs Committee: data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/home-affairs-committee/hate-crime-and-its-violent-consequences/written/82105.pdf. It is quite the collection of lies and misrepresentations designed to completely malign women, the only good thing about it is that it is so obviously one-sided that most rational people would see that.

Worth sharing this article on how the committee has been approaching the matter, and how at least some MP's want women silenced: blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate/

Keep resisting!

I really feel for you Debbie and others in your position. Years back women were not concerned or threatened by a small number of people with gender dysphoria transitioning and getting on with their lives.

This new trend where everything is transphobic plus the hijacking of the movement by some seriously woman hating individuals has forced us into using very blunt biological terms in order to claw back ground that is being lost.

This isn't a war that women or transsexual people ever asked for or even realised was happening for a while. That's kept us all on the back foot for a while trying to catch up but with the help of orgs like WPUK I think we are making headway (even if it doesn't always feel like it).

DebbieInBirmingham I really admire all you are doing and saying.

I hope more people will read your article: quillette.com/2018/03/30/plea-trans-activists-can-protect-trans-rights-without-denying-biology/

Thank you.

Support for you Debbie.

If this bothers you, do something about it!

Write to:
Home Affairs Committee, House of Commons, London, SW1A OAA

Email:
[email protected]

I started using the word/phrase TIM especially in discussions with people who have not talked about trans ideology before. It's clearer than TWs and TMs about which direction people are going. Especially re transmen (that forgotten group), people stumble over who we are talking about. TIMs and TIFs is explicit.

Similarly my spelling is transwomen. One word, one special type of person. But not trans woman, a sub-set of woman.
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Similarly my spelling is transwomen. One word, one special type of person. But not trans woman, a sub-set of woman.

:) and

Thanks Cocker spaniel

I know I'm a pendant, but a) that submission claims that the MN board is "Feminism activism", not FWR or "Feminism Chat"; and b) the thread linked for evidence of transphobia was deleted because of dodgy links in the OP - this is the best they can do?

I'm a pedant FFS

I will never say that someone who has a penis is a woman. Sex matters. Is this hate speech? Or just another form of misogyny and a way to silence women!

My Dh sums it all up, in his usual forth write manner “If you have a cock, you’re a bloke”

Not sure we’re allowed to say that though on MN, or out in the open anymore .

Excellent article, Debbie. Thank you for writing it and for your contributions to this thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/3277316-Mumsnet-moderation-of-trans-rights-and-gender-critical-issues-II

ok i think this might be the push i needed to write to my mp. and start conversations with more of my friends. i have been so very tentative so far.

Oh bloody hell, they're not very bright these TRA's are they? We may be silenced here but do they really think we have shut up? Being gagged here has sent many of us off to different places to organise action. Calling them an acronym they don't like was nowt. Women Unite, Women Roar!

Unbelievable. The complete erasure of the meaning of woman - and every implication that goes with it. Here's a fantastic (sweary, NSFW) that talks openly about the impact of people-who-were-born-male-but-now-state-that-they're-a-transwoman (natty acronym: PWWBMBNSTTAT) competing in women's sports.

QuizteamBleakley

Details of how in Scotland the definition of both woman and female was changed.

I can't quote from it as there seems to be an issue with their website at the moment.

hopefully the link will work later on.

fairplayforwomen.com/scottish_stole_woman/

Fecking load of bollox, ending with the same old same old veiled threat of

"Give us what we want or else ...."

Why is Mumsnet being so targeted?

It's easier for men to pick off women one at a time but MN gives women a forum that holds a lot of women. It's harder to pick off a group.

Don't think men don't know this, because they do.

From Hansard 're misogyny becoming a hate crime.
Victoria Atkins.
At the moment we have no clear evidence to show the extent to which the range of crimes committed against women and girls are specifically motivated by misogyny, which is defined as

“the dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.”

The police pilots that have been mentioned in this debate are of great interest to the Government. As the hon. Member for Great Grimsby said, there are pilot areas across the country, including in Nottinghamshire, where it has been led by Sue Fish, the former chief constable of Nottinghamshire police. That approach has been used to help give women confidence to come forward to the police to report incidents, and to raise the priority of investigations and enhance support offered to women and girls. There has been positive early feedback from women and girls, and those who support them, which is why the National Police Chiefs’ Council is gathering more data on those local initiatives. We will ask the police to feed back on the results of any pilots such as that in Nottinghamshire in recording misogyny as a hate crime.

However, we must be careful about creating laws that would inadvertently conflict with principles of equality. My hon. Friend the Member for Shipley (Philip Davies) is no longer in his place, but he raised a point about misandry. Under the Equalities Act 2010, certainly in the workplace we must balance the issue of equality. For example, our laws on religious hate crime provide equal protection for people of all faiths and of none. Equality of protection is a crucial element of ensuring public support for hate crime legislation. In other words, if we were to have hate crime in relation to gender, we would have to think carefully about whether that would apply to the entire population or just to half of it.

Why is Mumsnet being so targeted?

Glosswitch's article in the NewStatesman:

"The demonisation of Mumsnet is just the latest incarnation of witch-hunting
Naturally, it frightens people to think of what a group of mothers might actually demand.

“The deliberate withdrawal of women from men has almost always been seen as a potentially dangerous or hostile act, a conspiracy, a subversion, a needless and grotesque thing.” Thus wrote Adrienne Rich in 1976’s Of Woman Born, her seminal exploration of the politics of motherhood. From the workers gossiping in the spinning circle to old wives passing down knowledge of contraception and abortion, women gathered in isolation have long been considered untrustworthy. What might they be saying? What could they be plotting? And how, above all, might they be controlled?... continues

www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2018/05/demonisation-mumsnet-just-latest-incarnation-witch-hunting