Shon Faye hassling mumsnet

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twitter.com/shonfaye/status/991568961513893888?s=19

Depends Lang. Do you make organic breaded fish cakes instead?

FlaviaAlbia shit you’re right. That’s meta erasure right there.

@FlyingBird fantastic! Glad I have some use

So.. transphobia means 'afraid of trans people ' Where on this board does anyone say they are frightened of trans people? I would like to know exactly what constitutes ' transphobia ' According to Shon it is stating the truth. Maybe we should call Shon 'truthphobic' or maybe even 'factphobic' . That's how absurd it is.

along the lines of advising young girls to grow tits and be slutty.

To be fair to Shon, it wasn't aimed at young girls, it was older teens. But still the advice was 'get tits early and suck lots of dick.'

Shon Faye is a gobshite. That is all ye know on earth and all ye need to know.

Here, Andy Bell was a bit of alright, wasn't he? How come I didn't notice this at the time?

Aside from advising young people to 'grow tits early' and 'be slutty', can someone tell me what Shon is famous for? Shon writes about trans issues (and Shon tells young people to grow tits early and be slutty) but what else does Shon do? I just wonder because I have never really heard of Shon doing anything else other than Shon's sage advice to young people about being slutty and growing tits early and Shon's recent campaigns against mumsnet and Shon talking about trans issues.

To be fair to Shon, it wasn't aimed at young girls, it was older teens. But still the advice was 'get tits early and suck lots of dick.'

Ah thanks - couldn't remember or find the quotation. Doesn't hugely make sense to tell older or younger teens to get tits early, of course, since that's not how the female body actually works, but there we go.

"My therapist and I had a conversation (in September 2015) in which I first say “I think I am transgender”. I started calling myself (in 2015) "Genderqueer".

"I can be called he/she/they: to me, it doesn’t change the fact I’m not a man. I never was. I was not born into the wrong body. I was born into the wrong story’."

" I wonder if it is an outrage that I dare to presume that my pain is the same as that of transwomen, of cis women, of trans people of colour. But my pain isn’t their pain and my identity is not their identity"

"I now realise my lack of maleness doesn’t have to take the form as someone else’s (or that of womanhood or any recognisable shape at all) but merely gives me further reason to respect them.

"My name is Seán and I can be called he/she/they: to me, it doesn’t change the fact I’m not a man. I never was. I was not born into the wrong body. I was born into the wrong story. Or rather, it was wrong I was born into this kind of story at all."

All quotes from www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/26572/1/i-have-never-been-and-never-will-be-a-man 21 September 2015

ifLangdoes make organic breaded fishcakes, does she try and pass cod off as haddock?

Presumably the fish is asked what it identfies as before it is killed?

Aside from advising young people to 'grow tits early' and 'be slutty', can someone tell me what Shon is famous for?

I'm really not sure.

My name is Seán and I can be called
he/she/they: to me, it doesn’t change the fact I’m not a man. I never was. I was not born into the wrong body. I was born into the wrong story. Or rather, it was wrong I was born into this kind of story at all

Faye's own words from here - www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/26572/1/i-have-never-been-and-never-will-be-a-man

But if they have never 'been a man', Faye might want to write a tweet to themself about misgendering -

www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/fashion/2014/dec/06/my-life-in-makeup

True FlyingBird!

My best friend's first language doesn't really have personal pronouns and she says young people with "non-binary" etc. identities have had to resort to English loanwords to express their specialness. The media response to said young people there mostly seems to be following exactly the pattern you'd expect, with female presenters trying very hard to be kind and understanding and male presenters openly taking the piss.

Women, be nice! Men, go ahead and say whatever the fuck you want! Seems to be a truly international phenomenon.

Ah fmsfms got there before me, I see.

Gaudete took me straight back to my school days, so thank you!

I'm not a great one for fish fingers, but quite fancy a fish finger sandwich now, sort of giving the finger to silencing women.

Collidascope

How are comments being deleted for misgendering when all pronouns are accepted by SF?

Have they changed their minds now or summat?

But aren't we born into bodies and stories?

Or rather, we're not born 'into' bodies, because we don't exist until we have a body - we're born with bodies, and into stories. My body was female, and the story that comes with is partly a made-up one - that if I have an opinion I'm bossy or feisty, that I don't understand cars, that I need to shave my legs - and partly a biological one - that I'll have periods, or the body I have will mean if I don't there's a problem; that I'll be the one to give birth and feed the baby. That I can be raped, but not commit the act of rape.

The story of gender, and the story of sex. We can rewrite the first, but not the second. The reason we can rewrite the first is because it's a made-up story, which we can stop conspiring in. But we can't rewrite the second.

The aim is fairly clear....

If everyone on mumsnet is supposed to be snobby (there was an AIBU about this recently) shouldn't Lang be making crab cakes? Organic, obviously.