Thread on twitter. The paedophilia plan.

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twitter.com/PankhurstEM/status/991258039511670784?s=19

That was in reply to Kate's comments.

Fair enough. My apologies.

No worries, Mip, crossed wires!

LangCleg Wed 02-May-18 18:27:44
But Kate...

Paedophile tactics include diluting safeguarding frameworks for nefarious purposes.

Transactivist tactics include diluting safeguarding frameworks in order to protect the privacy of and make life easier for trans people.

Attempting to align the promotion of trans rights with paedophile tactics is transphobic

Accusing those fighting for trans rights as diluting safeguarding frameworks without any evidence is transphobic

Oh, it looks like this evening is going to get interesting.

TRANSPHOBIC can I ask why you don't want women discussing a TV programme (Jazz Jennings)? What is wrong with repeating a discussion that has been broadcast with the full consent of Jazz and their parents?

I'll have the popcorn, ta v. much spontaneous.

Accusing those fighting for trans rights as diluting safeguarding frameworks without any evidence is transphobic

Removal of sex segregated spaces for women and girls WILL reduce safeguarding protections.
Predatory individuals WILL exploit any loophole they can.

You are accusing people of saying that trans=peadophile. But what people on here are saying is that self ID will be exploited by those who mean harm. That is undoubtedly NOT the aim of any law abiding decent trans person - however it may be a serious and unintended consequence

Things done for what people feel are good reasons can have serious unintended impacts. That’s what people are concerned about. Safety. Safety of women and children.

Self ID will make keeping children - INCLUDING children who identify as trans, much harder.

I've reported our recently name changed friend TRANSPHOBIC for their targeted harassment of various commenters. Which they already informed us of their attention to enact on the moderation policy thread.

Does HQ get that there's a planned attack underway yet?

Statistically it's pretty much impossible for any group (of a large enough size) to not have some paedophiles in it. Do I believe heterosexual males have some? Yes. Heterosexual females? Yes (despite popular fiction). Gay males? Yes? Lesbians? Yes. Trans? Yes. Teachers? Yes. Pole jumpers? Yes. Someone I know? Yes (Although I have no idea who. But it would be amazing if I didn't).

Name any group and you will have some. And they will all use slightly different tactics - teachers will groom, sportsmen will impress etc. They will involve having secrets, special things between just abuser and victim. Lowered inhabitions. We need to understand the tactics they all use and find crossovers that we can defend against.

I think that is my first deletion ever. So we are not allowed to discuss the way PIE attached themselves to the LGB campaign, and will be loving the TRA campaign also. Nor that TRAs do appear to use much the same tactics. I even clarified that in no way was I saying TRAs WERE PIE, or even overlap

Accusing those fighting for trans rights as diluting safeguarding frameworks without any evidence is transphobic

I mentioned several examples elsewhere on the thread: mixed sex overnight accommodation on Guide trips; disclosures from minors in schools to be confidential; loopholes in DBS checks.

These are just some examples and they are all policies and legislation proposals supported by transactivist lobby groups.

It doesn't matter who is proposing the dilutions - it could be any lobby group at all - it matters that safeguarding is not diluted because it will be taken advantage of by others. I have been very explicit about this in several posts in this thread.

OrchidInTheSun Wed 02-May-18 11:18:04
www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-web-sexual-assault-case-denied-bail-20180124-story.html

This man sexually assaulted three little girls and has said he's a boy trapped in a man's body. angry

Deliberate conflation of a sex offender with a stereotypical transgender narrative is transphobic

Deliberate conflation of a sex offender with a stereotypical transgender narrative is transphobic

Reporting on a child abuse case is transphobic? How would you like this case to be reported?

I've been trying since writing that post yo think of any group that would definatly not have paedophiles. The only one I can come up with is A sexuals and that only in the strictest sense. They are unlikely to have the -phile element of attraction but there will still be some abusers in there who will perform the same acts.

Do transactivists even know what safeguarding is? FFS. These are statutory duties that evolved from abuse crises. You can't dilute them, even for vulnerable groups such as trans people, because it will lead to further abuse crises.

The right to privacy for anyone is not as important as the right of the Soham girls not to be murdered. Jebus. How can anyone not get this?

How is this hard to understand?

I have never read such a disturbing thread , Its showing nothing but ignorance and hate towards a minority group, Have any of you actual met a Trans Woman and spoken to them, They are as horrified as any normal person would be about peadophiles.
This thread is implying that all Trans women are peadophiles, I have seen teachers who have transitioned being accused on here of being child abusers, I have seen Trans women being misgendered,
God forbid any of your offspring turn round to you and say they might be born in the wrong body, as they would not get any constructive support, You are bringing up the next generation of adults and if your hatred of Trans Women is being carried on via your children we are going to be in a very sad world,
Your children are more at risk from abuse from a family friend or relative than they are from a Trans Woman.

This thread is implying that all Trans women are peadophiles

It really isn't

God forbid any of your offspring turn round to you and say they might be born in the wrong body

This is transphobic. Not all trans people have dysphoria, infact most these days do not. 'Born in the wrong body' is transphobic wording.

Hi @ThisIsTRANSPHOBIC

Why don't you want us discussing the tactics of paedophiles?

Trying to shut it down and linking the discussion to transphobia is transphobic. So you kinda need to report yourself.

This thread is implying that all Trans women are peadophiles,

The thread is pointing out that self ID and other policies campaigned for by TRA activists will have the (no doubt unintended) consequence of diluting safeguarding protections.

Everyone should be worried about that. Including parents of children who identify as trans.

To reiterate Lang's point, the issue is that watering down safeguarding procedures in the interests of inclusivity is not going to lead to good safeguarding practices. In fact, it's going to lead to a complete shitfest as paedophiles take advantage of laws and practices watered down with the best of intentions.

This is really fucking upsetting me.

ATTACKING PEOPLE TRYING TO PROTECT SAFEGUARDING FRAMEWORKS THAT WOULD HAVE SAVED THE SOHAM GIRLS? THIS IS YOUR FUCKING POLITICAL ACTIVISM?

Jesus fucking Christ. I just don't have the words.

Stepping away from the keyboard.

This thread is so bloody eye opening.

ignore the hand wringing from those wilfully misinterpreting.

There is no hatred of transwomen here. At all.

This thread is about safeguarding. There are concerns about recent safeguarding changes, if they're robust enough to survive changes in law that may confuse sex protections and a few deeply disturbed individuals in the world who are writing / proposing extremely sickening things about children.

I can't see the transphobia. And I have the greatest of respect for any trans person who considers the impact, like we do, of the way changes in law and general attitude towards sex, biology, blurred lines and how this affects women, children and transsexuals who have/ had dysmorphia. And there's many tw who share these concerns.