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Thread on twitter. The paedophilia plan.

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TERFragetteCity · 01/05/2018 22:32

twitter.com/PankhurstEM/status/991258039511670784?s=19

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RedHoodGirl · 02/05/2018 01:29

@Flowers There was reference in the twitter thread on at least two occasions to ‘Trans tactics’ - the intention is clear - to align the ‘tactics’ used by paedophiles trying to gain acceptance of something depraved with those of trans people trying to gain acceptance and equality (thereby insinuating they are ‘like paedophiles’)

To pretend that this wasn’t the intention by the poster is disingenuous - it’s clear to everyone.

TotallyLibrarianPoo · 02/05/2018 02:36

Red other posters have given you clear responses. They have explain the position is not against trans people, but against the TRA/MRA agenda and yet you continue to state the same thing over again to create dissension.

Telling people what they are thinking/meaning is straight up manipulation.

AnotherQuoll · 02/05/2018 02:49

I think the point of the thread was to show that the paedo activists are using whatever tactics they see working. In the past they tried to become acceptable by infiltrating LGB activism, and now, of course they're trying to use the Trans movement.

That doesn't mean anyone's claiming all trans people are paedophiles, just as it doesn't mean all of us in the LGB are paedos.

Personally though, I'd suggest the Trans movement clean house just as LGB has, and will probably need to keep doing. The P is persistent.

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thebewilderness · 02/05/2018 03:51

I could be wrong but I have a suspicion this is the handbook that Amazon self published for someone a few years ago and had an avalanche of grief over it.

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TERFragetteCity · 02/05/2018 07:37

No, I’m not saying we shouldn’t talk about how disgusting paedophilia is

How do we talk about the plan to make paedophilia acceptable then? Can you issue some guidelines please.

I am happy to keep this on track - it is a concern that I have had for a long long time and I was speechless when I read this yesterday. But we can't discuss it because it might make people [who are also throwing genuine trans people under a bus] unhappy?

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WasIEverBored · 02/05/2018 07:45

Shock at 'peadophobia' and 'kind sex'. Envy Yuck, yuck, yuck. Chilling.

From the twitter thread "It mentions a tactic of 'Desensitisation' - shown in the yellowish font. It makes the astute remark that 'any behaviour becomes more acceptable the more people talk about it'"
Perversely, this thread may contribute to the normalisation?

WasIEverBored · 02/05/2018 07:51

Has anyone watched the latest Marcella? I couldn't watch beyond the first 10 minutes. I had a horrible feeling that there was some covert normalising of child abuse going on. Especially when Marcella and her colleague spoke to the weirdo ex convict who said that being attarcedt to children was genetic. I also hated the soft lens pinkish colours of the pram with the baby at the food bank, which seemed suggestive and fetishising, remember all images work on people's subconsciousness. Highly disturbing.

DisturblinglyOrangeScrambleEgg · 02/05/2018 08:00

The book is even playing a game itself - in one of her grabs it says that penetration is specifically precluded - but then it continues to talk about sex, which, in a hetero-normative society means penetration (which is obviously something feminists/lesbians talk about as an issue).

Fucking tactics books on how to get abuse of children socially acceptable.

Perversely, this thread may contribute to the normalisation?

Yes, it's a problem - how to talk about something when talking about something is one of the tactics they want in use.

TERFragetteCity · 02/05/2018 08:01

Perversely, this thread may contribute to the normalisation?

Well, it is about the tactics, rather than the normalisation but yes. The option is of course to delete, block and forget about it.

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AngryAttackKittens · 02/05/2018 08:03

Ignoring a group of dangerous people who've already formulated a plan and set it in motion doesn't seem like the smartest idea.

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 02/05/2018 08:10

RedHood I think you are missing the point somewhat here.

No one is saying trans people as a group are paedophiles, let's make that clear.

But what appears to be happening is that people who want paedophilia legitimised are using similar tactics to TRAs. It happened when they piggybacked onto LGB and tried to get paedophilia legitimised as a 'sexual orientation'. Well we all know that sexual orientation is old hat now, it's all about how you 'identify', hence the 'self identified paedophiles' who appear to now be crawling out of the woodwork.

There are also other similarities: the use of 'phobic', 'hatred', 'bigotry' the dismissal of feminist concerns, the push for more 'sexual liberation' through total decriminalisation of prostitution both for workers and punters/pimps. Its all there.

And of course there is the issue of 'transing' children. Because if a child is old enough to decide they are 'trans' and make decisions about having hormones/drugs/surgery that will have lifelong consequences on all aspects of their lives, then it could be argued that they are old enough to make decisions about who does what with their body in other ways.

Ereshkigal · 02/05/2018 08:14

Perversely, this thread may contribute to the normalisation?

But if we don't talk about it, it will still go on. At least if we have misgivings about something happening, we will feel we should challenge and question. I've seen this trend developing for a while in certain media. It's founded in post structuralist queer theory which is by nature transgressive and about dissolving or breaking down boundaries.

Because there’s no use mincing words here: The same methods historically used by the government to imprison and pathologize homosexuality and gender variation are being used today to justify the extreme marginalization, lifetime institutionalization, and oppression of people who have violated sex laws. Sex Offenders are the new queers.

m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3386970

FermatsTheorem · 02/05/2018 08:20

These two tweets in particular are worryingly familiar:
"Here it describes the process of 'Jamming' - to shut down the thought process which would question this movement. Using social pressure, particularly targeting young 'progressives', to make debate unacceptable"

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"It posits a shift from ‘Jamming’ to ‘Conversion’ – creating true allies to the cause. ‘Pedophobes’ need to see their friends & role models embracing ‘admitted kinds’ (paedophiles)."

I think what we're seeing is an issue of how to co-opt a particular political grouping's outlook to push things (hence the overlap between PIE and LGB rights, even though the latter was an entirely laudible and legitimate human rights movement). If a right wing pervert wants to access his victims, the natural way for him to do it is within the power structures and mechanisms of control the right wing affords him (overt, in-your-face power structures, the ability to produce institutional cover-ups - c.f. child abuse within the Catholic church, child abuse in children's homes). If a left wing pervert wants access to his victims, the natural way for him to do it is within the power structures and mechanisms of control the left wing affords him (a tendency to authoritarian group-think, the silencing of dissent by public shaming and show-trials).

This particular group of perverts happens to have latched onto some of the weaknesses of the left - a tendency to authoritarian group think - as an opening to exploit. They have that in common with a lot of other groups, some of whom have used this strategy to achieve good social change, some of whom have misused this strategy. But it's the strategy that's at issue.

Basically Machiavellian nasties read the strengths and weaknesses and institutional set-ups of their surrounding human beings very accurately and use whatever flaws are apparent in the system they happen to find htemselves in.

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Rufustheconstantreindeer · 02/05/2018 08:50

Should just say that ive got as far as porn in schools bit

My understanding is that it will come into schools

Or at least thats what the trainee teacher i spoke to seems to believe, that its virtually a done deal

Along with how to have safe anal sex,

I am curious as to how this information will be given to parents

AngryAttackKittens · 02/05/2018 08:53

At what point are parents collectively going to say nope, we've had enough of this shit being forced on our children at school, no more?

lightthedarkness · 02/05/2018 08:56

Safeguarding principles are being undermined. Organisations actively promote not sharing information with parents, eg the Guides - don't tell parents about boys in girls dorms / showers etc. Keep secrets, undermine the age of consent and set up responsible adults as 'old fashioned' hateful', 'bigoted', 'out of touch'.
If organisations actively promote the above then it's no surprise that paedophiles will piggy back on them as this is their modus operandi.

TERFragetteCity · 02/05/2018 08:56

I don't know - but porn in schools on the Wright stuff...come on! Wake the fuck up people.

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Ekphrasis · 02/05/2018 09:01

I wonder if it's worth posting that blog article comparing heterosexual porn on porn hub with gay porn; women being shamed and subjected to violence, no kissing or affection verses the affection and kissing in the gay porn - on the Wright stuff thread - to highlight that porn that teens could access is not what people think it is.

There was a porn resources thread not so long ago.

Ekphrasis · 02/05/2018 09:01

I'm not sure where that article was.

Wanderabout · 02/05/2018 09:02

At what point are parents collectively going to say nope, we've had enough of this shit being forced on our children at school, no more?

Porn in schools should do it. Showing children porn is child sexual abuse. From the NSPCC website (bold mine)

"How do you define child sexual abuse:
There are 2 different types of child sexual abuse. These are called contact abuse and non-contact abuse.

Non-contact abuse involves non-touching activities, such as grooming, exploitation, persuading children to perform sexual acts over the internet and flashing. It includes:

encouraging a child to watch or hear sexual acts
not taking proper measures to prevent a child being exposed to sexual activities by others
meeting a child following sexual grooming with the intent of abusing them
online abuse including making, viewing or distributing child abuse images
allowing someone else to make, view or distribute child abuse images
showing pornography to a child