Thread on twitter. The paedophilia plan.

[TERFragetteCity]

twitter.com/PankhurstEM/status/991258039511670784?s=19

Can someone please start a new thread in site stuff or AIBU?

I agree athing.

What is the nature of delete posts?

Ie a common theme? I'm confused.

I think someone upthread said they now had a policy of deleting comments which had appeared screen-shotted in twitter posts. Which would be a bit strange. I remember one of the deleted posts ('cos it happened to be a couple of posts after one of mine) and it was entirely unobjectionable, simply agreeing with something a previous poster had said (and the post they were referring back to still stands).

As far as I can see, there are a few posts mentioning named individuals, either because those individuals have criminal convictions, or because those individuals have said things about themselves in the public domain which are being quoted.

No one on here has made blanket statements about "all of group A are guilty of crime B" - what they have said is "people guilty of crime B are trying to use people of group A, most of whom are completely blameless, as a cover for their criminal activities." And people have also said "where there's a straight clash between an individual's right to self-expression, and child safeguarding, child safeguarding should come first." I can't see that either of these positions are contentious or deletable.

My deleted post explicitly stated that I was not implying anything about TRAs (mentioning what I specifically wasn’t implying). I then went on to describe how the tactics described in the document in the Twitter thread for the promotion of pedophilia were a copy of those currently being used by TRAs.

My post was all over Twitter as an example of transphobia.

I had a comment deleted that was quite different from other deleted posts so I'm not sure about a common link.

I simply don't understand why Safeguarding is sliding out of fashion - fast. It was everything a few years ago, and now the buzzword is Transgender. Younger teachers seem very enthusiastic about stamping out any kind of discrimination - but there appears to be a hierarchy of discrimination and only self id seems to get mentioned now. There's a huge rush to have gender-neutral toilets, but with no reference to the girls in school and it is seen as desperately un-woke to raise any objection.

I can see that the next battle will be the right to self id as anything, or any age. Dsis, teaching in a school on the south coast raised safeguarding concerns regarding the age and lewd behaviour of some refugee boys in her class. Apparently they felt 15 and dsis was told that was that.

Hi there everyone

We agree that this is an important topic, but please do make sure that you are not eliding or conflating TRA tactics and PIE or paedophile apologist tactics, or implying that there is any overlap between the two.

If you want to discuss gender/trans issues, please start another thread to do so - discussing that topic on a thread about paedophilia will have a tendency to conflate them by default.

Which one is #TransAge, Kate?

@AnitaLovesVictor

Which one is #TransAge, Kate?

As said, probably a subject for another thread if you'd like to discuss it.

If we were to discuss how in the past PIE adopted LGB campaign tactics in a search for legitimacy would that also be forbidden?

@nauticant

If we were to discuss how in the past PIE adopted LGB campaign tactics in a search for legitimacy would that also be forbidden?

I think PIE's attempt to align themselves with LGB campaigning is generally accepted to be a matter of record, so no. It is definitely not on to say that PIE use tactics that have been used by TRAs and leave the air heavy with implication, though. Many groups share campaign tactics - TRAs for eg share campaign tactics with the LGB movement as was.

This is all so sinister and upsetting but I will fight it until my dying day.
No child should live a life where their body is abused, mutilated, tortured, beaten or even killed.
Every child deserves safety, shelter, enough food, clothing and warmth at the barest minimum.
Any man or woman who deliberately uses a child for their own warped sexual gratification is the vilest most despicable being to walk this planet.
Paedophiles are disgusting.

Thank you MNHQ for allowing a discussion of a very challenging issue.I appreciate that conflating the issues is problematic. We all agree that the document referred to in the OP is repellent.

Parents are tenacious and fierce when protecting their children. It benefits everyone when there is an open and confident debate about boundaries, safety and safeguarding of children. It would be constructive to hear some input as to why some organisations are challenging established safeguarding practice (confidentiality, right to consent etc).
Surely those wanting to vary thresholds / boundaries about consent, and child safety would want to be very clear what the thinking is behind this?

It is the lack of informed debate that fuels suspicion and it does society no good when safeguarding becomes a war zone. Everyone needs to be open and clear about identifying abuse and not fearful of being accused of hate crimes. This is too important to get wrong.

@lightthedarkness

It would be constructive to hear some input as to why some organisations are challenging established safeguarding practice (confidentiality, right to consent etc). Surely those wanting to vary thresholds / boundaries about consent, and child safety would want to be very clear what the thinking is behind this? It is the lack of informed debate that fuels suspicion and it does society no good when safeguarding becomes a war zone. Everyone needs to be open and clear about identifying abuse and not fearful of being accused of hate crimes. This is too important to get wrong.

Agree it's worthy of discussion, lightthedarkness, but if done on this thread it's hard to avoid conflation.

By and large society is obedient. Most of us pay our taxes, observe the Highway Code, tolerate each other peacefully and send our children to school to be educated by adults other than ourselves.
When we realise these adults, who by and large we trust to do the best for our children, are now being put in positions of making life changing decisions about our children without even consulting us then this rocks the very foundation of society.
Girl Guides is already openly telling us parents will not be informed if a male shares a tent or a shower with our 10Yo+ daughter.
Now we hear Porn is being advised as suitable material for school classrooms by suspect powerful men who also do not care about parental concerns.
I won't be the only parent pulling my children out of the system. I think a revolution is coming and unusually it will be female led.
Paedophiles are everywhere and as high up and powerful in society as you can imagine. (Yes, in THAT family too).
Enough. I can't save everyone but you're not having my daughters.

I met Dr Em at a WPUK meeting, she is really impressive.

That thread is a hard but necessary read.

But Kate...

Paedophile tactics include diluting safeguarding frameworks for nefarious purposes.

Transactivist tactics include diluting safeguarding frameworks in order to protect the privacy of and make life easier for trans people.

The problem is that the former will try to take advantage of the latter.

This is the feminist case for opposing some of the transactivist agenda. It's not anti-trans - it's pro-safeguarding.

It is not offensive do this, surely? Community members on a parenting website are bound to put safeguarding of their children first.

offensive to discuss this

Sorry.

Someone asked if a thread on this could go up elsewhere. I actually did one in chat this morning.

Please can I request that anyone who posts on there doesn't mention trans? I think a lot of people will see the word and think it's just part of the conspiracy those hairy femanists keep going on about. This is a really important subject and it needs to be noticed by as many people as possible. I don't want it dismissed.

Thank you.

Mip the Hairy Femanist

Well said Lang.

I have put a link on that thread to here for more in-depth analysis.

Kitten I actually agree with you. If that was in reply to my request (so hard to know on a fast board) then to be clear I don't want to shut down the discussion. Just for now to keep it off that thread so it doesn't turn people away without them gaining awareness of tactics proposed by paedophiles.

The good news is; according yo the last couple of posters this is all a fake to discredit LGBT people and mumsnet shouldn't be allowing it airtime. So that's me told.