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MNHQ Deletion Policy

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TheUterati · 30/04/2018 17:03

Earlier today the Trans Park Run thread was deleted in its entirety because SOME posts alleging cheating were deemed to be 'not in the spirit' of MN.

We have a thread about that running.

I have just been deleted on the Heather Peto thread for posting this:

"Bless..."

A post intended to be mildly dismissive.

That was deleted for breaking talk guidelines.

Give me a fucking break MNHQ.

"Bless..." gets a deletion!??!?!

TRA really have got you on a short chain, haven't they?

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Swichala · 30/04/2018 19:29

Long term lurker of fwr but never posted before, can’t believe some of the deletions, bless?! Posts stating biological facts, 1984 quote feels apt “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act”

SupermatchGame · 30/04/2018 19:29

"cognitive bias".

You appear to label any viewpoint that is different from your own (even when it accords with the law) as 'cognitive bias'. That's a really, really bad sign.

MissTeri · 30/04/2018 19:29

FWIW I have no problem with MNHQ deleting comments they deem to be 'goady' so long as every post deemed 'goady' is deleted ... there's no consistency whatsoever. Is it only on threads concerning trans people that goadiness is not allowed? or is goadiness in general forbidden - and if so why does almost every single thread on MN contain undeleted goady comments?

Biscuits are known to be fairly goady ... will all 'Here have my first Biscuit ' comments be deleted from now on? What about the 'Netmums is that way ... ---> ' comments? The ODFOD comments? if we're meant to be sticking to rules then the rules need to be consistent no matter who is moderating at the time.

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 30/04/2018 19:30

Cross post with errol

Im watching supernatural and got distracted by Jenson Ackles

Now THAT is a pretty man

MsMcWoodle · 30/04/2018 19:30

@MNHQ I thought that you did not allow bullying?
This behaviour is making me angrier than ever and more determined to up my activism.
And men cannot become women.

RefuseToDenounceBiology · 30/04/2018 19:33

@mnhq @justinemumsnet

The TRA modus operandi is trojan horse.

You have been infiltrated by two who have now both announced themselves publicly. How many more?

AngryAttackKittens · 30/04/2018 19:34

I would appreciate an answer to my earlier question about what user information moderators currently have access to, @MNHQ. And also an answer to the question above about how you intend to handle trans activists bullying some of your users.

Datun · 30/04/2018 19:36

IWillReportAllTransphobicPosts

In that context I meant that my dd does not have a male body. In fact very few people know she is even trans. A lot of her own friends are jealous of the way she looks. Calling transwomen ‘male bodied’ is offensive.

I understand. Believe me. I'm not hard of thinking. Neither am I unkind.

But, through no fault of yours, there is a huge chunk of information missing from your narrative.

You are, quite rightly intent on protecting and supporting your child.

We all get that. We're not monsters.

But the thing you have to remember is what happens to women when they are categorised in any way beyond pure biology.

It's almost always disadvantageous. Sexually available, nurturing, supportive, good at housework, better at multitasking, irrational, illogical, emotional.

It's the very basis of feminism. Deciding that woman mean something other than biology.

You deciding that a male is now female, based on something outside of biology is only perpetuating that. It's damaging to women.

It's also damaging to your child. They can never change sex. And they will never, ever be able to convince everyone they meet.

They are being set up to fail, if they don't fully understand their limitations.

The fact that you think their friends are jealous of them, because of your definition of womanly, means you just fail to understand why women are disadvantaged.

Women should not be jealous of the performance of femininity.

Pushing femininity as the ideal of women, is what holds women back.

Femininity should not have a value attached to it. Unfortunately, it does.

The fact that you are perpetuating this means you don't really understand.

I'd be interested to know what you think are the characteristics of the word 'womanly'. Have you ever asked yourself?

TripleRainbow · 30/04/2018 19:41

Swichala

I've been thinking of all the lurkers watching the threads and seeing new posters who couldn't give a toss about feminism, bragging about reporting and the ridiculous number of deletions.

It will have the opposite effect of silencing people and confirm any doubts that TRAs are trying to silence women.

ReluctantCamper · 30/04/2018 19:44

woah there RefuseToDenounceBiology

Infiltrated is a little strong.

The mods are entitled to their opinions, just as we are to ours. The woman who made IP addresses available was a dangerous fool, but the latest one is just someone desperately virtue signalling with an opinion. That's allowed right?

I think assuming that Mumsnet should amend their recruitment policy to fit our opinions is a bit much.

RefuseToDenounceBiology · 30/04/2018 19:47

I've seen them doing this in other areas. Every feminist group/lgb group - why would MN be any different when it has been on their radar for about 10 years?

AngryAttackKittens · 30/04/2018 19:55

I think it's inevitable that there will be some moderators who're not friendly to GC perspectives. What concerns me is a. are they still willing and able to apply moderation policies fairly and b. what user information do they have access to?

RefuseToDenounceBiology · 30/04/2018 19:56

The mods are entitled to their opinions, just as we are to ours.

But are they entitled to heavy-handedly censor our words in order that we keep in line with an ideology that contradicts reality? That is more than 'having an opinion'.

ReluctantCamper · 30/04/2018 19:57

yeah, I do know what you mean RefuseToDenounceBiology, but I think we've got to show a little faith here.

And also I have been repeatedly accused of being part of some shadowy organisation for holding gender critical views. I'm just a mum who hangs around here to learn about Korean skincare and pick up Christmas bargains. Honestly, not part of the illuminati.

I'd bet my right ovary most of the mods are just the same. Private individuals who just need to be even handed in their job.

MsMcWoodle · 30/04/2018 20:06

Message to TRAs on this forum
What do you expect to achieve?
Can you really expect to make people change their minds by force?
This will not happen. All you will do is further alienate people who would once have been your allies.

RefuseToDenounceBiology · 30/04/2018 20:07

Private individuals who just need to be even handed in their job.

My experience of being 'turfed out' (no pun intended) of feminist groups etc, or seeing others leave strangely, after there had been an influx of new arrivals 'volunteering' to 'help out' with admin, graphic design, event organising, etc, followed by a clear attempt to control the discourse, tells me private individuals can behave like they are all party to the same agenda..

IWillReportAllTransphobicPosts · 30/04/2018 20:10

@refusetodenounce

If you are referring to me I am not a TRA !

Just a mother with a trans child who feels unwelcome here anymore and will now report any instances I see of transphobia.

That is all.

OlennasWimple · 30/04/2018 20:12

I agree Reluctant

And great post, Datun, I was trying to think of how to frame it carefully, recognising that the IWill is (naturally) protective of her child but seems to be missing the bigger picture, as well as perpetuating gender sterotypes

Ereshkigal · 30/04/2018 20:12

Message to TRAs on this forum
What do you expect to achieve?
Can you really expect to make people change their minds by force?
This will not happen. All you will do is further alienate people who would once have been your allies.

Yes. That describes the vast majority of the "transphobic" women here.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 30/04/2018 20:12

Crack on Iwill

Can you do your reporting quietly though because your posts are tedious

IWillReportAllTransphobicPosts · 30/04/2018 20:13

Happily.

🙂

MsMcWoodle · 30/04/2018 20:15

Suddenly it has all become clear.
The TRAs do not want to change our minds and really believe that people can change sex.
What they want is to shut us up and make us comply so that they can simultaneously remove our ability to speak while they enjoy the power they have over us by not letting us speak.
They want to enjoy our erasure.

Ereshkigal · 30/04/2018 20:15

You appear to label any viewpoint that is different from your own (even when it accords with the law) as 'cognitive bias'. That's a really, really bad sign.

No, I didn't do that. I said in your case there was a clear bias at play in your perception of whether deletions are justified. I admit that I am also biased.

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 30/04/2018 20:15

So are words like 'bless' and 'yawn' not allowed anymore

Cos to be honest

Im gonna report the shit out of those words

Especially as 'yawn' is used frequently by ploppers

Ereshkigal · 30/04/2018 20:16

MNHQ need also to have a policy about vexatious reporting.