MNHQ Deletion Policy

[TheUterati]

Earlier today the Trans Park Run thread was deleted in its entirety because SOME posts alleging cheating were deemed to be 'not in the spirit' of MN.

We have a thread about that running.

I have just been deleted on the Heather Peto thread for posting this:

"Bless..."

A post intended to be mildly dismissive.

That was deleted for breaking talk guidelines.

Give me a fucking break MNHQ.

"Bless..." gets a deletion!??!?!

TRA really have got you on a short chain, haven't they?

I don't think any posts should be deleted. Instead, they should be coloured shit brown when one gets, say, 3 reports. The more reports the shittier the colour.

Well hey, Bewilder, perhaps transracials need to get campaigning, because folks like me are ignorant on the matter! And perhaps then I'll know enough to convince me it's a thing and that it is indeed rude to mis-race somebody, in which case I will happily stand corrected.

There have always been people culturally appropriating and trying to pass as another 'race' - eg 'white' people claiming to be Native Americans

Or, more often, mixed race people seeking to "pass as white" in order to benefit from the privileges enjoyed by white people in various societies at various points in history: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_(racial_identity)

I don't think any posts should be deleted. Instead, they should be coloured shit brown when one gets, say, 3 reports. The more reports the shittier the colour

This is basically the Reddit downvote process, where lots of people vote that the post is shitty (in line with whatever that means on the specific sub-Reddit) and when it reaches a certain threshold it is then automatically hidden because it's deemed to be utter shite

(I'm not jumping ship to Reddit GC, BTW. I lurk there occasionally, but find the US focus difficult and some of the language used is blunt to the point of obnoxiousness)

PS I'm right here - isn't it weird to make such musings about a person right in front of them? I mean I think it's weird. But hey ho, no-one's the boss here. Just calling it like i see it. Which is weird.

ha Jux, brilliant idea!

How can you deny the reality of transracialism?

Two men in Malaysia, one Chinese, one Malay were switched at birth, hence assigned Malay at birth in the case of the Chinese man, and Chinese at birth in the case of the Malay man:

uk.reuters.com/article/oukoe-uk-malaysia-switch/malaysian-switched-at-birth-wants-to-switch-religion-idUKKLR13560820070203

And race in Malaysia is every bit as important than sex, Malays are legally Muslim (all of them, 100%, forever, unrenouncably), they are subject to positive discrimination policies, etc.

While the assigned-Malay-at-birth man wanted to renounce his transMalay identity and return to his biological Chinese status, the assigned-Chinese-at-birth man was happy to become trans-Chinese - he had a Chinese name, spoke Chinese, passed as Chinese, married a Chinese woman, ate pork, practised Buddhism.

I think you have to be PRETTY drunk at trans kool-aid to believe that a man, with different genetics, reproductive structures, body shape, facial appearance, can become a woman, but that a person cannot change race.

Race is essentially a description of a human grouping with shared culture. While this is linked to certain genetics, these genetics are not concrete in the way that XX vs XY is - outsiders can mix into the group and very quickly become apart of it. Certain races may have people of quite different appearance, reflecting different geographical origins of different parts of the tribe, but this does not negate their identity.

And don't forget that many supposed 'races' are in fact distinguished from each other based on RELIGION. While religion is largely inherited, these religious divides often reflect a past split in a single homogenous race based on war or whatever.

Now if what you are saying is that is offensive for a rich white person to go off and fly to Uganda and claim to suddenly be Bahororo, well then how the bloody hell do you justify rich white men claiming to be women?

There are plenty of British people who feel 'dysphoria' when they go and live in a country where the weather isn't shit, the food is delicious, the beaches beautiful, and people live more relaxed, less pressurised lives.

rufus when I said "you're" I meant 'One' really (if I'd been using proper English) or in this case MNHQ - not you - worded it badly as writing while baby/toddler wrangling (when do they technically become a toddler?..... but I digress).

So, in the case of MN the mods decide and in the case of the recent court case it was the judge. In both cases other people are deciding what another person meant when they used personal pronouns and whether they had malign intent. And if the person who is judge decides they don't like a group of people / their argument they can claim there was malign intent whether or not there really was. It's madness.

The thing is no-one is stopping people who WANT to use preferred pronouns ( Pan ) it's just that some people really believe that biology matters and is very important to them. Why is their belief / desire / freedom to use the English language in a traditional way less important than someone else's desire to get everyone to use a particular pronoun for them? No-one's stopping them from referring to themselves that way.

Honestly, if misgendering becomes a crime we should start a ManFriday type thing where we all claim we have some new non-binary personal pronoun (mine might be bollox) which everyone should use for us or they're committing a hate crime.

I don't disagree ineed

I think you have to be PRETTY drunk at trans kool-aid to believe that a man, with different genetics, reproductive structures, body shape, facial appearance, can become a woman, but that a person cannot change race.

Yep. Of the two methods of categorizing people, sex is far more fixed and easy to determine scientifically. Which is not to say that race isn't a real and important thing that has a huge impact on how someone's life turns out, because it is. It's more to say that given that we've generally decided that people who decide that they're not the race they appear to be based purely on their say-so are not generally going to be taken seriously, and that's especially the case when they're attempting to more from a more privileged to a less privileged group, then saying that someone can move from the privileged sex class (man) to the less privileged one (woman) and this must be accepted by everyone despite it being much easier to prove their claims definitively wrong using science is taking the piss more than a bit.

There is only one race. The human race. It is composed of males and females for reasons of reproduction.
See! That was simple, but never easy.

So transwomen and transmen...terms may be a bone of contention i know

TV guide is talking about the new gender something or other programme and its referring to transfemales and transmales

So what's occurring with old Matthew Wright?

Having successfully erased the meaning of the words man and woman they now move on to the words male and female. The goal is to make the truth quite literally unspeakable.

I'll admit that was my first thought angry

Thats seems to be how this stuff starts

Gender instead of sex etc

The goal is to make it punishable for biological females to distinguish themselves from men with purported ladybrains. And for mention of, or categorisation of biological sex to be verboten.

At which point I will identify as a transwoman, along with my gender critical friends, and our identities will be sacrosanct, and no-one will be able to challenge us because our sex will be unmentionable. So we will be transwomen too, and our voices will outnumber the voices of the transwomen-with-penises by about 50 to 1.

Careful what you wish for, boys.

mwahahahaha

You're lumping in everyone with that mwahaha post though, including transwomen and men just wishing to go about their lives, peacefully.
Not just the frankly bonkers extremists.
There's bonkers extremists on both sides of the argument.
It's sad all are getting swept under one big metaphorical umbrella because of the actions of an extreme minority.

Did you miss the conversation the rest of the regulars had with Truscum earlier? Who is another regular, and trans, and who the rest of us are fond of.

It's the invisibility cloak for trans people who're not raging narcissists, works every damn time. It's like people arguing about what mean meanies gender critical women are literally can't see any trans person who's a reasonable human being.

Did you miss the conversation the rest of the regulars had with Truscum earlier? Who is another regular, and trans, and who the rest of us are fond of.

No, I saw that. I think truscum's a great poster too and I like hearing from.
Fully transitioned women have every right to go about their lives peacefully if they so wish though,and in fact have done for years/decades unobtrusively.
Why should they get swept into all this as well when they've done nothing wrong?

I think at some point you may just have to accept that other commenters aren't always going to use the tone that you'd like them to, Cady. Unless MNHQ come back with a new comment policy so draconian that there's almost nobody left commenting at all.

Cady - we're just sticking up for women's rights. I'm getting weary now. It's so tedious. Women are human too, we deserve equal rights, and we deserve the spaces we have carved out for ourselves. We didn't make those spaces to be mean, we did it because we are disproportionately at risk of male violence and sexual harassment. Sometimes I think the posters that belittle this very simple fact, and want to make everything gender neutral, have never been to school - with the boys trying to peak at the girls changing. Sometimes I think they never walked down a street, and been catcalled by a load of men, or made to feel uncomfortable, or worse.

Tru wrote a lovely post, and lots of us responded to it....Tru stands up for women's rights too.

• Fully transitioned women have every right to go about their lives peacefully if they so wish though,and in fact have done for years/decades unobtrusively. Why should they get swept into all this as well when they've done nothing wrong?*

They shouldn't. It wasn't GC feminists who invented the slur 'truscum', you know.

It's the endless picking apart of language with the implication that if objections aren't worked just right then we need to stop talking about the actual issue and focus on the wording instead that I find wearying. I tend to eventually just stop engaging people with people like that, because why bother?

It's the constant gaslighting. I've been victim to male sexual violence - both from strangers and from a trusted boyfriend, sadly. You can't tell me that a fear of sexual violence by men is an 'irrational fear' - or like being scared of escalators.

You also can't tell me that I should willingly accept any male that says they identify as female into women's spaces. That there's no risk. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. Gender neutral toilets can get to fuck. I don't even like the toilets in Covent Garden Belgos.

Woman says - I'm being gaslighted, please stop.

Response is - But don't you think you should be nicer to/about the person gaslighting you? And also, not everyone gaslights. Can we talk about the people who don't gaslight instead?

Person who doesn't gaslight says - Can you not do this in my name please?

Response is - (crickets) Now anyway, about the rudeness with which you're discussing your feelings about gaslighting...

Women are human too, we deserve equal rights, and we deserve the spaces we have carved out for ourselves. We didn't make those spaces to be mean, we did it because we are disproportionately at risk of male violence and sexual harassment.

Completely, totally with you on that. No way should women's rights be eroded. I'm one myself.Against self ID.
There needs to be a happy medium though, and I have no answer to the best way to solve it.
As fully transitioning peeps need protecting too. Not denying and saying "but no,you're not one of us and never will be" which some have said.
So what do you do? Suppose that's the billion dollar question otherwise there wouldn't be all this arguing.