MNHQ Deletion Policy

[TheUterati]

Earlier today the Trans Park Run thread was deleted in its entirety because SOME posts alleging cheating were deemed to be 'not in the spirit' of MN.

We have a thread about that running.

I have just been deleted on the Heather Peto thread for posting this:

"Bless..."

A post intended to be mildly dismissive.

That was deleted for breaking talk guidelines.

Give me a fucking break MNHQ.

"Bless..." gets a deletion!??!?!

TRA really have got you on a short chain, haven't they?

compare something with which

Something for which, not "with".

Okay Pratchet. Obviously I think I have a point, so if you'd like me to clarify I'll try? Or is what you're getting at that you see the point I'm trying to make but you think it's nonsense for reasons you don't feel the need to go into?

Sorry, don't think I'm being a pain, I'm really not sure if you're expecting my interaction on this or simply wanted to pass comment. I don't mind!

There's no evidence for changing sex either Rat. Noone is denying that Trans people 'feel' that they are the opposite sex. But feelings don't make facts for this any more that it would if they thought they were a unicorn or white to black.

Noone is saying that gender dysphoria isn't real. It clearly is and it a serious condition

Not very long ago there weren't many self declared transpeople either.
Maybe more will now emerge.
Or perhaps not, maybe anyone who feels like identifying as black will realise how colonial and offensive it is to try to appropriate someone's else's culture and experiences.

There have always been people culturally appropriating and trying to pass as another 'race' - eg 'white' people claiming to be Native Americans.

Briefly : incoherent because you begged the question.

Predicated on unproven belief that gender identity is real.

Attempt to prove unproven belief is true, but asserting that unproven belief is true.

The bit about consensus making something true is just silly.

I'm sorry for being rude, I was impatient

But everything I did is true

Hi MipMipMip!

The very word ‘pronouns’ make me cringe these days (just because of the type of people insisting on how important they are)

I’ve actually recently asked friends/family who were using ‘she’ to use ‘he’ instead as a favour to me. I felt like a bit of a wanker asking people to change how they refer to me (I have never done that before) but in the wider context of women feeling like they have to be polite, and because polite now essentially means ‘lie or I’ll punch you’ to some, I’m actually much more comfortable being referred to by my biological sex.

My DP has always been bemused by it when friends referred to me as she anyway. He’s gay, and though he fell in love with me as a person, obviously he wouldn’t have been attracted to me if he didn’t consider me to be a man (sans genitalia or not)

Attempt to prove unproven belief is true, but asserting that unproven belief is true.

I didn't attempt to prove something was true, I said it's nonsense to say it can't be true just because something for which there is much less evidence almost certainly isn't!

I didn't think you were all that rude Pratchet :)

You're allowing a minority to decide which people (women mostly on here) are allowed to speak.
ineed

I beg your pardon?

Im not allowing anything thank you very much

I have at no point said whether i think deliberate misgendering is good or bad in my post

I think that if MNHQ decides that misgendering is beyond the pale then thats one thing but allowances should be made for accidents

MNHQ have made it clear that deliberate misgendering will result in deletion

They also seem to have decided that accidental misgendering counts as well

I reported Datun once for misgendering (sorry Datun!) although she did say it was an accident. MNHQ deleted it.

But I was very glad they did because the person she misgendered is on MN and frequently chats very cordially with us all. I didn't want her seeing it and her feeling bullied or whatever, which is why I reported it in the first place.

Even as an accident I think in those circumstances it would have come across as a little dig, and a personal one at that. So I can see why it's hard to have a blanket rule that accidents are exempt.

Why the fuck are people putting words in my mouth today

At no point did i say blanket rule

I said allowances should be made...thats not a blanket rule its looking at the situation and the poster and making a decision from there

I don't think accurate sexing need be interpreted as a dig.

This is a feminism and women's rights forum. We need to speak accurately about sex without being made to feel like meanies because some people find the reality of sex differences difficult to come to terms with.

At no point did i say blanket rule

I didn't say you did! I was simply musing on your post; didn't mean to get your back up

Justs reread my post - it does look like I'm saying a blanket rule was suggested; I really didn't mean that. I was just remembering a time when an accidental misgendering was deleted and why i thought that was a good thing. Poorly phrased - sorry.

rat

Ok

Not having a good day and (im not saying this is you at all) ive seen to much tweaking of people's posts in the last few days

Its really pissing me off

In real life i have a dreadful temper so I'm very restained on here...believe it or not

I've never understood the Mumsnet moderation/deletion policy.

On pretty much all of the other forums I go on "Cunt" is the only word that is moderated - auto asterixed out in a lot of cases.

On Mumsnet it's bandied around like a shiny new toy.

Yet perceived slights are jumped on as are "personal attacks" - I've had a post deleted for saying "don't be so stupid" but Passive Aggressive, snidey, sneaky indirect attacks are allowed.....

It's bizarre.

On other forums it's actually quite refreshing to read some of the proper ding dongs with people calling each other lying bastards & all the names under the sun - and very few posts get deleted. If someone persistently pisses you off on other forums you ignore them or tell them to fuck off.

Here, you're stuck with them...

Oh sod off Breitbart

"I've had a post deleted for saying "don't be so stupid""

The way to avoid deletion is to say it this way: "Your post makes you look somewhat less than super bright, which I'm sure was not your intention". It means exactly the same thing as "You're stupid if you think that's true" imho but MNHQ feels it's not a PA.

"why isn't it rude to "mis-race" Rachel Dolezal but it may be rude to misgender a transperson? Er, because transgenderism is a recognised state of being for human with plenty of evidence to back up its very real existence, but transracialism - yeah - that's not."

How rude. Did you just erase Rachel Dolezal and her lived experience?

transgenderism is a recognised state of being for human with plenty of evidence to back up its very real existence, but transracialism - yeah - that's not

Yes you did rat. 'It's real because .. it's real'. Yeah NO.

Ok Tru, I'll go with male then. What's the betting there'll be a report at some point? Which, to be fair I'd support. When you're talking to someone you use the trying not to use pronouns here salutation they prefer so if someone thinks I'm being rude to you I have no objection to them stating it. In fact you seem lovely so I'm all for people not being rude to you.

I do not think it possible to argue with someone who denies the vast amount of historical evidence of transracial people "passing as white", as well as tribal adoptions, while asserting there is vast amounts of historical evidence for transgenderism, which there is not.
They are quite simply impervious to reason.