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MNHQ Deletion Policy

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TheUterati · 30/04/2018 17:03

Earlier today the Trans Park Run thread was deleted in its entirety because SOME posts alleging cheating were deemed to be 'not in the spirit' of MN.

We have a thread about that running.

I have just been deleted on the Heather Peto thread for posting this:

"Bless..."

A post intended to be mildly dismissive.

That was deleted for breaking talk guidelines.

Give me a fucking break MNHQ.

"Bless..." gets a deletion!??!?!

TRA really have got you on a short chain, haven't they?

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RefuseToDenounceBiology · 01/05/2018 01:14

Exactly silvery

I'd love to stop talking about men, whether trans identified or not, and focus on furthering women's rights and liberation.

Ereshkigal · 01/05/2018 01:15

never said it was. I like the fact everyone gets a voice on here. All sides get the chance to be listened to.

Except women who don't believe you can change sex?

CadyHeron · 01/05/2018 01:16

Only some women, evidently. The rest of us will be "keep on being deleted". Stop silencing us. Stop being so fucking gleeful that you and your mates are getting our posts deleted.

You are completely misreading my posts.I really don't want things shut down. If people are making transphobic comments, they're going to get deleted, that stands to reason which is why I said it will keep happening if people keep doing it.
My mates? Really not my mates. The activists are harming stuff for everyone - women, and trans people trying to live their lives in peace.

Ereshkigal · 01/05/2018 01:18

If people are making transphobic comments, they're going to get deleted, that stands to reason which is why I said it will keep happening if people keep doing it.

Calling a male male is not "transphobic". Or we really are down the fucking rabbit hole.

thebewilderness · 01/05/2018 01:18

I cannot accept the idea that males like MY and tru who fully transition are transphobic if they do not claim to have become female.

AngryAttackKittens · 01/05/2018 01:19

Stop being so fucking gleeful that you and your mates are getting our posts deleted.

Yeah, honestly, since I'm on my way out anyway? This is asshole behavior. It's childish, it's spiteful, and it's a perfect example of why so many women have been losing their patience with the TRA side of the argument. And Cady is the least unpleasant of the people on that side of the debate in this thread.

"Debate" does not mean "you only get to speak if you do so in exactly the way that I prefer".

RefuseToDenounceBiology · 01/05/2018 01:19

My mates? Really not my mates. The activists are harming stuff for everyone - women, and trans people trying to live their lives in peace.

Hmm

(is that emoji safe?)

CoteDAzur · 01/05/2018 01:20

Candy - re "That is what transphobic means though. Refusing to accept fully transitioned, full surgery, properly living as a woman for years as female"

That is absolutely, verifiably false.

Again, let's ask a dictionary:

Transfobia = Dislike of or prejudice against transsexual or transgender people.

As you can see, refusing to agree that humans can actually change sex is not transphobia.

I harbor no dislike, prejudice, or any other emotion against trans people. May they all live long, happy, and fulfilling lives, dressing and presenting however they like, with exactly the same rights and opportunities as everyone else.

What I say is that trans women are not female as per the word's dictionary definition, and hence can't be women since Woman = Adult human female, as can be seen in any dictionary.

This is the English language. It is fact. It's reality. It Recognizing it and refusing to engage in the Doublethink and Newspeak you require does not make me transphobic.

Ereshkigal · 01/05/2018 01:20

Doubt it.

AnitaLovesVictor · 01/05/2018 01:21

You are completely misreading my posts.

I don't think so - you just told us we will continue to be deleted for stating biological facts. That is silencing. Your sheer glee in telling us how we will continue to be deleted is frankly, disturbing. MN has never been a place to silence one side of the debate, it has never been a place that deletes "Bless".

You are totally siding with the activists in posting in support of these deletions.

CadyHeron · 01/05/2018 01:22

hmm

(is that emoji safe?)

What's that comment even supposed to mean? Why the humphy face?
I meant what I said.

RefuseToDenounceBiology · 01/05/2018 01:26

I meant what I said.

Hmm

Your posts don't ring true.

AnitaLovesVictor · 01/05/2018 01:31

The humphy face is probably because you're delighting in women's posts here being deleted, Cady Hmm

Nobody is silencing you Cady - people are engaging with you. How about if I changed my NN to "WillReportAllCadysPostsBecauseIDisagreeWithCady" - how would you feel? Attacked, maybe. Silenced, probably, if your posts were then deleted. That is what is happening to women here.

Free robust discussion is what MN used to be about.

CadyHeron · 01/05/2018 01:31

I don't think so - you just told us we will continue to be deleted for stating biological facts. That is silencing.

If you cared to read my past posts, you'd see I've made stating biological facts posts too.
Woman - female, biological.
Man - male, biological.
You can't get past that. No fully transitioned transwoman will ever be a biological woman, there's no disputing that.' Cos biology. No amount of surgery in the world will make you one of those.
It doesn't mean you should be referred to as "he" or refused to be acknowledged though.

Ereshkigal · 01/05/2018 01:33

doesn't mean you should be referred to as "he" or refused to be acknowledged though.

You specifically said we weren't allowed to call a trans identified male male.

CadyHeron · 01/05/2018 01:34

Nobody is silencing you Cady - people are engaging with you.

I never said they were silencing me. I don't feel silenced.I know people are engaging. Seeing all viewpoints is good.

RefuseToDenounceBiology · 01/05/2018 01:39

refused to be acknowledged though.

What does that mean - acknowledge what?

CoteDAzur · 01/05/2018 01:40

Cady - "I've made stating biological facts posts too. Woman - female, biological. Man - male, biological. You can't get past that. No fully transitioned transwoman will ever be a biological woman, there's no disputing that.'"

Err... you just said on this thread that sort of talk is transphobia Confused

CadyHeron........... Today 00:59
That is what transphobic means though. Refusing to accept fully transitioned, full surgery, properly living as a woman for years as female and denying they exist and carry on saying they're male/a bloke.

AngryAttackKittens · 01/05/2018 01:40

I'm disgusted with the way MNHQ is handling this. The idea that these issues can only be discussed if the women here agree to be perfect models of decorum, while individuals arguing the opposing viewpoint are given free reign to be as hostile, dishonest, and aggressive as they like, is everything that's wrong with the way girls are socialized written up as an official policy. Is it any wonder it's making some commenters break out in hives? I'm eternally grateful that my family didn't treat me like that as a child, and I'm not about to allow myself to be treated that way now just for the privilege of being permitted to post comments on a website that's dependent on advertising and therefore needs as many people as possible reading and commenting on it.

Mumsnet is not your employer, commenters, nor is it your parent. This is not an appropriate way for a site to communicate with its users, who are in fact the reason that it as a company is able to exist at all.

AnitaLovesVictor · 01/05/2018 01:41

I don't feel silenced.

I bet you don't - nobody is telling you that your posts will continue to be deleted.

You won't see all viewpoints, will you? Some poster's viewpoints are being deleted.

AnitaLovesVictor · 01/05/2018 01:45

I'm wondering if it's worse even than that, AAK. "Women, you may only discuss this using terms agreeable with the new gender ideology. Otherwise: deletion "

Thou shalt not blaspheme.

CadyHeron · 01/05/2018 01:46

Err... you just said on this thread that sort of talk is transphobia

That is what transphobic means though. Refusing to accept fully transitioned, full surgery, properly living as a woman for years as female and denying they exist and carry on saying they're male/a bloke.

Can you not see that it's not the same?
Saying a transitioned transwoman is not a biological woman. Truth. Cos biology.

Totally denying the fact that they've fully transitioned, are legally recognised as a woman, look like a woman, etc, but still insist on calling them he and Dave or Steve or whatever.
Not OK.

Ereshkigal · 01/05/2018 01:47

Totally denying the fact that they've fully transitioned, are legally recognised as a woman, look like a woman, etc, but still insist on calling them he and Dave or Steve or whatever.
Not OK.

Point out where someone did that on this thread. Go on. They're still male though whatever your arbitrary categories.

Ereshkigal · 01/05/2018 01:49

What if they have had surgery but don't have a GRC? Or have a GRC but don't look anything like a woman?

LightofaSilveryMoon · 01/05/2018 01:49

@CadyHeron

No fully transitioned transwoman will ever be a biological woman, there's no disputing that.' Cos biology. No amount of surgery in the world will make you one of those.
It doesn't mean you should be referred to as "he" or refused to be acknowledged though.

So, you're starting to acknowledge that men cannot be women! Which is a recognition of reality.

So why are are you ordering women to tell lies and to pretend that men are women?

Born women are women, and born men are men. And women and girls, as a class, are in need of protective legislation because of male violence. This is a well-known fact. So - is this post an example of dangerous subversive and transphobic behaviour by a woman, that must be deleted by moderators?

Most of us here are just seeking women and girls' safety, security, privacy and dignity.

We don't care a damn how men choose to present themselves, so long as they do not try to threaten or silence us women, or invade the spaces where we expect privacy, safety and choice, free of penises.

Is that too much to ask? Really?

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