MNHQ Deletion Policy

[TheUterati]

Earlier today the Trans Park Run thread was deleted in its entirety because SOME posts alleging cheating were deemed to be 'not in the spirit' of MN.

We have a thread about that running.

I have just been deleted on the Heather Peto thread for posting this:

"Bless..."

A post intended to be mildly dismissive.

That was deleted for breaking talk guidelines.

Give me a fucking break MNHQ.

"Bless..." gets a deletion!??!?!

TRA really have got you on a short chain, haven't they?

Are we no longer allowed to ridicule or offend?

Ereshkigal, I know — I’m pretty well up on the equalities act. Gender reassignment is there along with race, religion and sexual orientation, but they’ve lost sex, pregnancy and maternity, and marital or civil partnership status. There are some other ones added as well — HIV status, sex worker status, class background.

I queried it (politely) because I didn’t want to use that wording for a society constitution, and was told “it’s been written in consultation with students over many years and isn’t designed to copy (or something like that, I can’t quite remember the wording) the equalities act”. I actually suspect what happened is that gender was used as a ‘polite’ synonym for sex, and it was never changed. Now though, they mean such different things.

I did write back explaining legal ramifications, and was told it was being passed higher but I haven’t heard back. I should chase it up.

I teach med and biomed students. I do not teach that transwomen are female. I don't know any lecturers who do.

Cady that's what I mean - if they are setting firm rules it will be one or the other. And neither will work on all occasions.

Wishing good luck was genuine: whatever they do will be wrong.

Are classed as women though.)Not by a large number of people. You do - that's up to you.

That is what transphobic means though. Refusing to accept fully transitioned, full surgery, properly living as a woman for years as female and denying they exist and carry on saying they're male/a bloke.
If you can't see that,you're going to keep on getting deleted.

MNHQ - these transactivists on twitter, who are targeting your advertisers, and trying to shut this board down and silence us - they are not going to accept polite debate on the subject. Not any. None.

As Justine said on lbc, just the discussion itself is seen as transphobic. #NoDebate - remember. You are being accused of transphobia for allowing the discussion, not the content of the discussion. I think you should be aware of this - it's been stated explicitly on Twitter.

You should not capitulate and add to the silencing of women on this subject. You are a women's forum predominantly. Outsiders coming in and reporting all our posts, some even with goady NNs announcing their intentions - are they going to stay and join in all the threads after you've shut us down? No, they are not.

Look me up - I've been here years, I've posted thousands of posts. I spend far too much time here. Look to your actual users here - the ones who want to discuss this. Stop "accidentally" allowing posts that say "bless" be deleted. Stop allowing your users to be silenced.

I did write back explaining legal ramifications, and was told it was being passed higher but I haven’t heard back. I should chase it up.

Definitely do. They can't make up their own Equality criteria as they go along. There are legal obligations.

@KateMumsnet - look how your last comment has buoyed the confidence of an authoritarian - (is that what we want?):

If you can't see that,you're going to keep on getting deleted.

That is what transphobic means though.

Who has decided that? Because it certainly isn't the law.

That is what transphobic means though. Refusing to accept fully transitioned, full surgery, properly living as a woman for years as female and denying they exist and carry on saying they're male/a bloke.

I'm not denying they exist. They aren't female. It's a fact. I've said this many times and the posts still stand. You don't understand this issue. No one cares about surgery. That's not how it works.

"You are being accused of transphobia for allowing the discussion, not the content of the discussion... You should not capitulate and add to the silencing of women on this subject. You are a women's forum predominantly. "

^ This.

That is what transphobic means though. Refusing to accept fully transitioned, full surgery, properly living as a woman for years as female and denying they exist and carry on saying they're male/a bloke.
If you can't see that,you're going to keep on getting deleted.

No, this is an attempt to shift the Overton window and people here don't have to believe that it's true just because you say so.

(MNHQs moderation policy is a separate issue, since like the legal system they don't actually have the power to override reality or people's perceptions of it.)

Look me up - I've been here years, I've posted thousands of posts. I spend far too much time here. Look to your actual users here - the ones who want to discuss this. Stop "accidentally" allowing posts that say "bless" be deleted. Stop allowing your users to be silenced.

I've been here years too. I also want to discuss. I want to be able to talk and not be silenced.
Women need to be heard.
If people are putting posts out such as "bless" - it may sound innocuous and inoffensive to bystanders but if aimed at someone it's like you're being belittled or patronised for having a different viewpoint.

Cosigning all of what Anita said. This is a fools game that you're playing, MNHQ. You're attempting to negotiate with terrorists. How does that usually end?

Other women saying things that you don't like is not them silencing you, Cady.

If people are putting posts out such as "bless" - it may sound innocuous and inoffensive to bystanders but if aimed at someone it's like you're being belittled or patronised for having a different viewpoint.

The point is that we're being held to a higher standard than AIBU, Chat, the Doghouse etc.

Angry please don't go
Red we're all here for you
Tru I'm sorry you're caught up in all this

Interesting to note that once again those who claim to be the protectors of trans rights completely ignore Tru.

I cba to go back and find the poster's name, but I do want to note that they have done and are doing their child a massive disservice. As parents we do our best to equip our child with the tools they need to navigate their world.

We teach them how to be independent adults and that sometimes we just can not get everything we want. We teach them that decent people do not trample all over other people to get what they want. And we also teach them that once they are an adult, it's time for them to advocate for themselves and live their lives without mummy having to go in and explain away their behaviour to the teacher.

Teaching your child that they are the centre of everything, that the world will change to accommodate whatever they want, and lastly this emphasis on being pretty as the most important thing is so incredibly limiting for their development as a capable adult.

I want to be able to talk and not be silenced.

No one silences people who says the sky is green and moon is made of cheese on MN FWR - the worst that can happen is people will take the piss out of you.

Grow a pair.

@KateMumsnet - look how your last comment has buoyed the confidence of an authoritarian - (is that what we want?):

If you can't see that,you're going to keep on getting deleted.

How am I an authoritarian? People were genuinely perplexed and asking what transphobia meant.
Somebody replies, it's obviously not something that's supposed to be answered.
As I said earlier, it's strange for me to be on this side of the debate as I'm usually firmly on the other!

I've been here years too. I also want to discuss. I want to be able to talk and not be silenced.

No you don't - you've just stated we will keep on being deleted.

Women need to be heard.

Only some women, evidently. The rest of us will be "keep on being deleted".

Stop silencing us. Stop being so fucking gleeful that you and your mates are getting our posts deleted.

it's strange for me to be on this side of the debate as I'm usually firmly on the other!

I have no idea what that means. expl?

Born women are women, and born men are men. And women and girls, as a class, are in need of protective legislation because of male violence. This is a well-known fact. So - is this post an example of dangerous subversive and transphobic behaviour by a woman, that must be deleted by moderators?

Most of us here are just seeking women and girls' safety, security, privacy and dignity.

We don't care a damn how men choose to present themselves, so long as they do not try to threaten or silence us women, or invade the spaces where we expect privacy, safety and choice, free of penises.

Is that too much to ask? Really?

Other women saying things that you don't like is not them silencing you, Cady.

I never said it was. I like the fact everyone gets a voice on here. All sides get the chance to be listened to.

So yeah, anyway - if the new official policy is that women are going to be deleted for using clear terms such as "male" and that HQ is going to give the authoritarians what they want, I'm out. I won't be a party to women being forced to lie, or the gaslighting of women who've already suffered through relationships with abusers who use coercive control techniques. That's neither feminism nor justice.

In terms of alternate venues, Reddit GC is American centric but an influx of Brits might shift that a bit, and they don't scold women for being honest.

How am I an authoritarian?

I'll tell you how. By saying this statement here - If you can't see that,you're going to keep on getting deleted.

That is authoritarian. "You will believe this, that men can be women, and you can't say otherwise, or you will be deleted". Authoritarian. Telling us what we must believe and accept.