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TheUterati · 30/04/2018 17:03

Earlier today the Trans Park Run thread was deleted in its entirety because SOME posts alleging cheating were deemed to be 'not in the spirit' of MN.

We have a thread about that running.

I have just been deleted on the Heather Peto thread for posting this:

"Bless..."

A post intended to be mildly dismissive.

That was deleted for breaking talk guidelines.

Give me a fucking break MNHQ.

"Bless..." gets a deletion!??!?!

TRA really have got you on a short chain, haven't they?

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Pratchet · 30/04/2018 22:39

At list one tim wrote to Harper Collins to get the definition changed and they wrote back and thanked him for the heads up! Dimwits.

BabyItsAWildWorld · 30/04/2018 22:39

This is where WTGLWGH thinking got us.

We've been duped into thinking if we're nice we'll be allowed to continue talking to each other.
It's a lie.
We're only allowed if we don't upset men.

IWillReportAllTransphobicPosts · 30/04/2018 22:40

*so is my daughter

RefuseToDenounceBiology · 30/04/2018 22:40

…laudable efforts to restrict speech can become a tool to silence critics, or oppress minorities. The strongest weapon against hateful speech is not repression, it is more speech’ and that is the essence of my thesis; more speech. If we want a robust society, we need more robust dialogue and that must include the right to insult or to offend. Because, as someone once said, the freedom to be inoffensive is no freedom at all.

Therefore fuck TGLWGH

AnitaLovesVictor · 30/04/2018 22:42

IwillReportAllThingsIDon'tlike - presumably you reported the dictionary definition posted here? Is it dictionaries you don't like, or just words?

You are so not up for discussion - unless it's all on your terms.

LangCleg · 30/04/2018 22:42

AngryAttackKittens - please, please, please give advanced warning if you decide to leave. I will find a way for us to keep in touch. But please also - stay. This too shall pass.

RedToothBrush - I can't bear to see you triggered this way. It's wrong. Any woman-centred site should be ashamed that it has put community members in harm's way like this. Have solidarity and lots of love and a recognition of what's happening here today.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 30/04/2018 22:43

AAK

If HQ attempted to impose it on AIBU there would be an uprising that would make Spartacus look like a kiddies tea party.

  • Impose sanctions on the Dog threads. Those fuckers take no prisoners if a random dog approaches their Fido. Try telling them that it's only natural for dogs to want to smell bumholes or calling for cockapoos to be renamed mongrels and and it will be full on mutiny
RefuseToDenounceBiology · 30/04/2018 22:43

We've been duped into thinking if we're nice we'll be allowed to continue talking to each other.
It's a lie.
We're only allowed if we don't upset men.

Be seen but not heard, be nice, be ladylike ...

ReluctantCamper · 30/04/2018 22:44

I'm frankly at a loss to understand what's 'transphobic' and what isn't.

No joke. I literally don't know.

However, when discussing sex segregated spaces and activities, the sex of persons wishing to take part is relevant.

So while it may well be rude in everyday life to point out that transwomen are men, in the context of the discussions we have here, it is necessary and proportionate.

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 30/04/2018 22:44

Yeah

No leaving angry

At all ever

AnitaLovesVictor · 30/04/2018 22:44

Therefore fuck TGLWGH

Well, we gave it a shot, didn't we?

I did feel at the time that suffragettes would be turning in their graves - they certainly didn't mince their words.

LangCleg · 30/04/2018 22:44

Do the rozzers jump out of my phone.

At least someone has made me laugh today!

IWillReportAllTransphobicPosts · 30/04/2018 22:46

The ‘dictionary definition’ you refer to was slightly more than that.

The sentance was finished off by saying “your dd will never be a woman”

A direct attack on my daughter.

AngryAttackKittens · 30/04/2018 22:46

A true lady never raises her voice and always strives to delight the menfolk with her delicate airs!

If that was what I wanted I'd join a forum for discussing Merchant Ivory movies. They'd probably allow snarky jokes too.

SophoclesTheFox · 30/04/2018 22:46

"I am all for discussion"

Blinking flip, Iwill, do you hear yourself?

"I am all for discussion...but my username indicates that I will dictate the terms of that discussion".

busyboysmum · 30/04/2018 22:47

Yawn.

(I don't learn. Now I'm just being deliberately provocative)

It's been an eye opener of an evening.

But no-one is allowed to go anywhere. We must stand together. They'll get bored eventually.

BabyItsAWildWorld · 30/04/2018 22:47

You can't make people respect you.

Even if the law says this person with a penis is a women, I can still say, no I view people with penises as men.

The dude may not like that. but tough shit. I can say it.

Just not on MN anymore apparently.

FermatsTheorem · 30/04/2018 22:48

RedToothBrush - I love your posts, and I hate to see you so triggered by all this shit. Flowers

CadyHeron · 30/04/2018 22:48

Got a penis? Not a women. Go on, delete me, for stating biological facts

Biologically correct. Shouldn't be deleted.
Those who have had total surgery, no longer have one? Can you not see that saying they're still a bloke is transphobic? As that's what some were saying earlier.That kind of stuff is going to get deleted.

RefuseToDenounceBiology · 30/04/2018 22:48

what should be a longer term project to pause and slowly rewind a creeping culture of censoriousness. It is a small skirmish in the battle to deal with what Sir Salman Rushdie refers to as the Outrage Industry: self-appointed arbiters of the public good, encouraging media-stoked outrage, to which the police feel under terrible pressure to react.

AnitaLovesVictor · 30/04/2018 22:49

Just a little snippet from Rowan - we need more free speech - if we want a robust society, we need more robust dialogue, and that must include the right to insult or offend.

And: The freedom to be inoffensive is no freedom at all

SO I think WTGLWGH has lost it's appeal for me.

FermatsTheorem · 30/04/2018 22:50

Cady what do you say then to someone like Miranda Yardley who makes it a point of political principle to be prepared to say "Yes, I had such severe dysphoria I had my penis removed. Yes, I am still male."

(I love Miranda, btw.)

busyboysmum · 30/04/2018 22:50

Absolutely. Nursey nailed it in Black Adder:

PoulaFisch · 30/04/2018 22:50

BabyItsAWildWorld
Never in over 10years have i seen MN moderated like this.

So what's changed?
Why are we now expected to be nice all of a sudden?

We know why.
We've upset some men.

Fuck This Shit.
It's fucking unreal.
An actual dystopian nightmare where men pretending to be women get to control and silence actual women in every domain.

Maybe you have upset some men, quite a lot of trans people and a fair number of women?
The law and most of the medical profession disagree that trans women are "men pretending to be women". That sentence alone could be seen by many people as openly transphobic. Could it not?

Pratchet · 30/04/2018 22:50

It's not transphobic. No one is irrationally afraid, or has an irrational intense dislike. It's just a biological truth. Even if we don't say it, it's true. It will be true if no one ever says it, or if you hail everyone who says it. We can't stop it being true. No one can.