MNHQ Deletion Policy

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Earlier today the Trans Park Run thread was deleted in its entirety because SOME posts alleging cheating were deemed to be 'not in the spirit' of MN.

We have a thread about that running.

I have just been deleted on the Heather Peto thread for posting this:

"Bless..."

A post intended to be mildly dismissive.

That was deleted for breaking talk guidelines.

Give me a fucking break MNHQ.

"Bless..." gets a deletion!??!?!

TRA really have got you on a short chain, haven't they?

How can you find out if a poster has had posts deleted? (I don't think I have, except for quoting stuff that is subsequently deleted, but I'd like to check....)

Nevertheless, she persisted

Let me repeat. This is not about identity. This is about behaviour.

The ultra defensive nature is read as aggression. The natural reaction to that is to shut down and be defensive.

You end up in a cycle of it.

To break the cycle you must be allowed to talk.

It is the only way out.

BREAK THE CYCLE. DO NOT REINFORCE IT.

I'm happy to share my phone number via PM so we can speak privately on WhatsApp, kittens. If I start getting mysteriously harassed, I'll be going to the police and ICO.

MN does allow talking though.It's about the only place that does. Long may it continue.

And yes to what Anita said. I'm just annoyed - my own Cluster B person is many years in the past and I've long since come to terms with that experience to the point where it's protective armor rather than active trauma. But I can see what having those behavior patterns allowed to flourish in this space is doing to women for whom experience with that variety of abuser is more recent, and it's really, really not OK. A woman-centered site should know how to deal with this stuff, because fuck knows it comes with the territory. The abusive behavior is escalating, and has in fact now escalated to blatant threats, and far from discouraging it MNHQ is punishing women for pointing it out.

I have no idea what Justine's personal views on the trans issue are, but the gap between what she publicly committed to and what's been happening in the last few days from the mod team is fairly substantial. The attacks on Mumsnet are escalating, which was predictable. Was "bully any commenters who push back into silence or submission" really the plan? Because at this point the "oh we try so hard for you and look how you repay us by not being Nice enough" messages from HQ are, as they're so fond of saying, not really in the spirit of.

It'sut - it's about

Someone has just posted this on twitter - it's old, but judging by the fact that PosieParker was reported to police by that Mermaids person, I think it still needs saying.

We have Woman's Place and We Need to Talk. If we can only do it in person, then that's how we will do it. If they stop that, if we can't meet in buildings, then we will meet in houses, in the streets, in parks. We will win. In the end, we have more power than they can possibly imagine.

No, Poula, I mean exactly what I said. Hope that helps.

We may need to go door to door.

'Censoriousness of the most intimidating kind designed to have a chilling effect on free speech and public protest'

This is what we have! Thank you for posting.

What scrappy said at 21:57

Today 22:07 Ereshkigal

I imagine she knows what she meant.

And I imagine my statement is what she meant.
Considering a site aimed at parents and specifically mums with 12 million users is obviously supportive of women, but not supportive of "free speech" used as an excuse to post transphobic/hate/abusive speech and propaganda.

Pity the poor election candidates who knock on mine Erish. 20 minutes lectures on the GRA. One Tory nodded though when I suggested her party was moving away from the extreme position of Maria Miller.

It's absolutely bloody terrifying, and I mean that word, that open discussion of the consequences of legislation for women are being shut down and carefully 'managed,'.

Who cares if some one is offended? No one has the right to not be offended.

Go on offend me. But don't shut me down.

I thought personal attacks were the line?

Never in over 10years have i seen MN moderated like this.

Sarcasm and a take no shit give no shit attitude are practically the MN code. That's why we're vipers right?

So what's changed?
Why are we now expected to be nice all of a sudden?

We know why.
We've upset some men.

Fuck This Shit.
It's fucking unreal.
An actual dystopian nightmare where men pretending to be women get to control and silence actual women in every domain.

Luckily enough I can clarify what I meant myself, and what do you know, Ereshkigal was correct.

Do you often imagine that you know what other people mean better than they do, Poula?

Oh tush, Poula. There's no point pretending with us. We know it's about silencing and nothing else. You can drop the pious facade.

I've wished so much for some canvassers

I haven't really engaged in this debate, but I find this thread (and the moderation) very alarming. Why are ordinary women being shut down for raising very rational concerns, discussing them and having unpopular opinions? The line between being goady and engaging in debate is obviously a very fine one. If only these Mumsnet moderators could have a go at improving Westminster culture, we might get rid of the 'boys' club' behaviour and humour there. But no, apparently as ordinary women we must remain 'polite' or get shut down.

I reported the person who declared they were here only to report posts they judged were transphobic as a troll who self declared.
This was the response:
"Hi there Bewilderness

Thanks for your report. We do appreciate why you're concerned, but we can only moderate by our own Talk Guidelines and at the moment this poster isn't breaking them. With this post, they are taking part in a debate that we have fought quite hard to be able to still have, and freedom of speech has to cut both ways. We can't delete posts simply because they go against the majority view here.

We hope you understand where we're coming from. We will continue to keep an eye on this poster and please do report any of their posts that you think might be breaking talk guidelines. We'll always be happy to have a look.

Best wishes

Hebe"

Okay, about half way through now...

But Cote : "Oh wow. I just got deleted for posting dictionary definitions of the words Female and Woman. That's new."

What is going on with your moderation policy, @MNHQ @JustineMumsnet ?

That goes way beyond what could be even vaguely justifiable, given your interview with the Times about protecting free speech, Justine. This really is looking increasingly as though one of your mods is a fully paid up TRA who is intent on silencing women's voices by any means. I don't see that there's any other possible interpretation to put on the deletions on this thread.

And yes, I think the average woman on the street ought to be very alarmed. By letting people self-define as women, real women are being erased even from statistics.

I had a Labour guy who actually climbed over a flower bed to get away with me calling after him 'no self id for gender' lol he just wanted to give me some leaflets but I trapped him on the doorstep bending his ear.

Polite I can live with. not being able to point out that many transwomen act out a damaging parody of womanhood I have more of a problem with.

I would guess that's what was so offensive about what hateloggingon was saying?