Trans Park Run Deletion

[TheUterati]

Poorly played, MN, very poorly played.

The perspective that when male athletes identify as female athletes and on the basis of that are eligible to compete against women, they are cheating is an absolutely valid one that is deserving of discussion.

Points in its favour are:

1. The context of cheating in sports as a whole - those self-harming activities that athletes willingly participate in to give themselves a competitive edge.
2. The evidence that mediocre male athletes who identify as female manage to then carve out glittering careers where those would not be available to them had they continued to compete as males.

It is an absolutely valid perspective.

Accusations of cheating against specific individuals may well be against talk guidelines, in the absence of supporting evidence, but those individual posts can be deleted and a friendly warning from MNHQ posted on the thread.

Males identifying as females and competing in female sports is a key issue in GRA, whether it occurs at the 'social, fun' end of things or at at Olympic level. To silence this debate is an appallingly heavy-handed.

But in any event, the fact that we are making women's sporting activities inclusive of men for their wellbeing with no apparent regard for women's wellbeing is a contradiction. No matter how many words used to prevaricate around why it is all lovely, it just isn't

This is the absolute heart of the matter.

Of course people can compete if they want to, but they are competing against themselves,in their own heads.
Fully transitioned females, in a non competitive setting, why exclude them?

Rat, honestly, the last thing I wanted or needed in response to a rhetorical question, was a beginners guide to equality from you, but your patronising dial is permanently turned up to 11, as we all know.

God i don't remember names and exact posts bobbi

Ive a memory like a sieve

Not you if thats any help

I don't think its cady either...

But Ive definitely seen it

All this thread is doing is showing that there isn't really a need for the column at all. It'd be a shame if they took it out though.

Wouldn't it just? It means I could no longer wave my 'finished in the Top 100 women!' at DH, who is never going to finish in the Top 100 Men because there tend to be more than 100 men and not so many women at our nearest run

Ahem.

Not that I'd do that anyway.

That's ok just checking

Fully transitioned females, in a non competitive setting, why exclude them?

They're not female. As you claim to understand.

bobbi

Not a problem

If i had thought that of you I wouldn't have posted it in here

Id have snuck off and posted it somewhere else

but they are competing against themselves,in their own heads.

No - parkrun publish the results and align the results by sex and age categories. We aren't making it up - it is literally what they do.

Oh wait, Trousers, was "Once you've sorted out the rules, let us all know" not an invitation to let you know that the rules are - you know - sorted? But hey, if it was a rhetorical question I'm sorry, I must have missed the punctuation.

I think you hit 12 there.

What IS a fully transitioned female?

It appears as a collection of words and people should know what this means. It's the "female" bit I'm curious about.
thanks

“That most of the thread was transphobic”

Absolutely rubbish. I followed that thread as I park run and I’m passionate about women’s sport. There was the odd poster that should have been deleted but most was reasonable debate about whether it is fair that self identifying women can compete in women’s sporting events. We know that a fully transitioned person with a GRC can do what they want as that is the law but the law doesn’t apply to self identifying.

For me park run is a competition. I compete against myself, my friends, other women in my age group and other women. If I didn’t compete I wouldn’t bother doing Park Run and would just run up and down my street. If park run take the rankings out I bet over 50% of people wouldn’t bother doing it.

We know that a fully transitioned person with a GRC can do what they want as that is the law but the law doesn’t apply to self identifying.

Actually this is not the case. S. 19 of the Gender Recognition Act allows sports bodies to exclude trans identified males with a GRC for the purpose of fair competition or safety of other competitors.

Newsofas... I sometimes race people who are out jogging in the street, they don't know its a race, but that doesn't matter, I like to win

I race people in the next lane in the swimming pool .

Unless it's DD. She's too fast for me.

Of course people can compete if they want to, but they are competing against themselves,in their own heads.

Still persisting in that little falsehood, Cady?

As was explained to you very clearly on the last thread, there are PBs, but also you get your position within your category - sex and age group.

People don't have to take any notice of that if they don't want to - but the information is collected, and available.

Will you PLEASE stop belittling and dismissing the views of women who want to run Parkrun competitively. My sister is one such woman - and so is Newsofas above, and many women on the thread that was deleted.

No - parkrun publish the results and align the results by sex and age categories. We aren't making it up - it is literally what they do

this ^^

what are you on about cady???

Not only do they have results sorted by age and sex, they have course records by age and sex. Which cady must realise if she actually does parkrun

Oh and I'm another one who does it competitvely

I won't rest until I beat Martha Miggins (just a few seconds ahead of me not her real name in my age and sex category)

But nobody polices or checks the age groups... So why would they the sex?

No Lichtie - they don't. ANd nobody is suggesting they do or should police it.

Just that people should be honest.

I think cady wants to win the argument.