“Incel”

[Scribblegirl]

Just come across this horrific phrase in the context of the Canadian attacks. I’ve always thought I was relatively aware but this completely passed me by.

Does anyone have any background resources they can share on the phrase/“movement”? Not sure I can face some of the murkier sites my first searches found.

Maybe sexism might be classed as a hate crime now?

Don't be stupid. Why would male MPs and police want to criminalise themselves?

This is simply unbelievable. The way these men can twist thr fact thar women do not wanting sex into a valid motive for murder is astounding.

Do you think these are people with regular IQ? It just sounds impossible for anybody to believe this nonsense.

Read about Incels for the very first time in the Guardian 10 minutes ago. Did a search on here for more information. This board has been a huge source of education for me. I am horrified beyond belief and almost wish I'd never read that Guardian article.

This is simply unbelievable. The way these men can twist thr fact thar women do not wanting sex into a valid motive for murder is astounding.

The TRA cotton ceiling rhetoric is pretty much the same from some of the more unhinged ones.

Urgh Incels, the very dregs of society who blame everyone else for the fact they can't make an effort with people, especially women - who should, by all accounts, be lining up offering their holes to men like them (who need not bother leaving their homes to even meet women).

I've read their forums on and off including the big blow up when they were banned and went off to that weird niche forum (can't remember the name right now, think it begins with a V). They are vile about women, they are vile about women because they loathe us. BUT we should be offered on tap to men by governments. One can only assume this is because we are sub human and have no agency of our own.

About 2 weeks ago I mentioned them in a conversation and I added that I wouldn't be surprised if one of them killed (again). And lo...

I am not happy to be right.

Well done that Toronto copper. This disgraceful excuse for a man will hopefully now be dragged through the court system and this hateful incel shit exposed.

If anything encapsulates the way a proportion of men do not think women are people it’s the incel movement. Women to them should be dispensed for merely existing. They do not have the self awareness to understand that the reason women aren’t shagging them is because they are treating women like objects. They cannot think ‘hmm... is it me? Should I treat women with respect, like fellow humans?’

They are deeply inadequate men, who in the past would have managed because simply being born a white male meant you couldn’t fail. Now that the world is a tad more equal they have to compete against people (including women) and they don’t like it. They think they should be top of the tree by dint of existing. And should get a hot submissive chick like a handout.

This is exactly why misogyny needs to be a hate crime. This act was an act of hatred against women, for being women.

Existing while female shouldn’t be a risky business.

Whaaaaaa? I was vaguely aware of the 'incel' thing but this is next fucking level.

This is terrorism against women, pure and simple.

i think there is an element of misogyny in all terrorists

This is one of their main paces to chat incels.me/ - not for the fainthearted be warned

I found out about them after reading this tweet twitter.com/2patchitup/status/967102799497478145

They even have a podcast

It is all very sad and twisted. What depreses me is that, while these extremists are actually pretty rare, a LOT of "normal"men have views that chime with the views of Incel nutters.
They wouldn't expect government provided girlfriends or use violent language about women, but they think "feminism has gone too far", they say "what about men" when you point out the scourge of male violence. It is seen as a reasonable position for city councillors to support red light districts in our cities which condone the selling of women.
It's there when my son's dad says that he can't find a girlfriend because women only want to date men with money. (Nah mate, they just want to date a guy with a job..)
Most men have some questionable ideas that make me think that they don't see women as people, and that they feel both entitled to access to attractive women, AND angry that women, as they see it, get to call all the shots
The actions of the Toronto killer were misogynistic terrorism, absolutely, and there are others out there who think he's a fucking hero.

Yes, it's a terrorist movement. Ticks all the boxes - sad, lonely, alienated, usually young men who have an exaggerated sense of entitlement and get radicalised online into believing that it's the fault of a category of people that their needs are not being met. Outbreaks of horrific violence which are then applauded online by the knobends who have been encouraging and reinforcing each other's twisted thinking. Very strong links with racism/white supremacy, too.

a LOT of "normal"men have views that chime with the views of Incel nutters.They wouldn't expect government provided girlfriends or use violent language about women, but they think "feminism has gone too far", they say "what about men" when you point out the scourge of male violence.

Spot on IfNot it is the extreme version of the everyday things we see - like those comments below the line on articles (discussed on
that thread which was dragged up here).

One phrase guaranteed to wind me up is 'feminism has gone too far'. It glosses over reality in the most irritatingly oblivious manner.

I do wonder about men in general. 2000+ years of being expected to be the superior human has got to fuck you up. That's why inadequate men (especially inadequate, well-off white men) find it harder to cope-they know they have no obstacles to success in any area, so if they can't cut it for whatever reason, they feel like even more of a failure, and need someone to blame.
I think actually the worst ones online are the economically unsuccessful white men. They hate feminists because we say they are privileged, when, understandably, they don't feel that working in an Amazon warehouse on a zero hours contract is a privilege. Whereas what we actually mean is that there are no restrictions on them, as there might be for their pregnant co-worker, or their black neighbour, not that they are automatically wealthy by virtue of being a man!
It must be hard to realise that, even if you are born into the "neutral human" category you still do actually have to develop your character and skills. It's not a free pass to just get anything you want.

Something that I definitely suspect is that a lot of the hand-wringing about how hard things are for people these days comes from the fact that men (ordinary men, not necessarily incels) are aggrieved that they no longer get as many Life and Success bonus points for their penis and balls. In their heads any restriction on their god-given right to be Fantastic is a Terrible Societal Problem that everyone should be super concerned about. Funny how they didn't show the same concern when women couldn't vote, own property or have any control over their body, eh? Men seem pathetically underequipped as people to cope with any sort of 'hardship' and by 'hardship' I mean any sort of obstacle that is generally miniscule in comparison to the massive barriers put in the way of women for thousands of years. We're supposed to feel sorry for them because they can't put their hands on women's knees for fear of being seen as harassers - we're genuinely suppose to worry about their poor hurty feelings around not being able to touch knees when there are minimum 85,000 rapes of women in the UK every year. I mean, come the ACTUAL FUCK on.

Yes a lot of views ‘ordinary’ men hold are definitely views espoused by incels writ small: the commonly held belief that men are shafted when it comes to divorce because women always ‘walk off with everything’; most women are shallow and only want men with money who can provide for them, women want equality in the workplace but we don’t deserve it..after all if we choose to have children and go off on maternity leave why on earth should be paid the same as hardworking men who don’t get that type of break?

The angry white working class man is supposedly responsible for putting Trump into power and who can blame him really when on top of everything else he has had to cope with being emasculated (the fault of those pesky women who have managed to go out and gain better qualifications, get jobs, advance their careers) while leaving men behind. When I was promoted at work another manager complained that he had effectively been demoted since I was now at the same level as him and he had much more experience blah blah. Oh it was also apparently all about political correctness since there are very few non white managers in our organization and my face ‘fit the bill’ to rectify that.

IfNot you are spot on and I think explains one of the reasons the manager at work is so angry. I am black and female so how the hell has he been brought so low as to find himself at the same level as me?

i am black and female so how the hell has he been brought so low as to find himself at the same level as me?

I’m white, but yes, I have also seen this in action. It’s disturbing, isn’t it? The entitlement is stunning.

In a previous role, I actually had a Male colleague follow me through a set of doors shouting at me that I couldn’t do work task x (complex scientific shit) because I was a woman.

I mean how do you even reply to that?

Someone on here said the other day that when all you’ve known is privilege, equality feels like oppression.

I think it definitely feeds misogynistic rage. Add in racism as well and it gets very ugly indeed.

(ordinary men, not necessarily incels) are aggrieved that they no longer get as many Life and Success bonus points for their penis and balls. In their heads any restriction on their god-given right to be Fantastic is a Terrible Societal Problem that everyone should be super concerned about.
Ha! So true.
Eastie that is horrifying about your manager, I hope you can not let it get to you too much...and i hope you get promoted again so you are in charge of the fucker.

Oh I DO hope you get promoted above him :)

There’s. No insight is there? No reflection that it might just be down to them that they don’t have a stream of women throwing themselves at them/a decent job/respect from the community. That those things are earned through hard work and merit.
The locus of responsibility remains firmly external. And the rage is targeted outwards.

Bowl that is a great quote and succinctly sums up the problem. I think a lot of men genuinely feel oppressed and put upon. They are bewildered at the sight of women succeeding and refusing to kowtow to their every whim. It has left them disorientated and in some cases hateful.

'Bowl that is a great quote and succinctly sums up the problem. I think a lot of men genuinely feel oppressed and put upon. They are bewildered at the sight of women succeeding and refusing to kowtow to their every whim. It has left them disorientated and in some cases hateful.'

Precisely Eastie. 100 years ago, which is a nanosecond in historical terms women were there just to meet the needs of men and men took every advantage of that while considering it the natural and right thing to do. All the structures of our society grew out of that - work, law, morality etc etc and patriarchal attitudes very strongly promoted the idea that women were secondary creatures, no better than children and lunatics. That mindset is so embedded that men who consider themselves enlightened and feminist have it as much as incels do, they just deny it to themselves and everybody else. It's inevitable really because it's in our cultural DNA but it's so hard to fight against when the people who perpetuate it the most (and it's not the incels, it's the 'good guys') won't see that it's there.

I should add though that it's worth remembering how bad humans are in general at giving up things that make their lives easier. For example, if all of us stopped using cars tomorrow the difference to the planet would be enormous, but because cars are convenient, we don't do it. Equally for men, pliable controllable women were a great convenience - one whole half of the population there for their benefit. They can't imagine doing things any other way because they've never had to. And they certainly don't want to.

Not sure if this has been posted but this article is a supposed expose of incel boards, with the conclusion that men are great really and it’s all just a big fuss about nothing because they’re just poor boys who want a cuddle. I despair.

www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/14/the-red-pill-reddit-modern-misogyny-manosphere-men

The guardian needs to run through the Scott trust a little faster ... :/

It has left them disorientated and in some cases hateful.

Absolutely. The problem is that too many of them think it’s OUR fault...