All the Mumsnet hate on Twitter. Have we friendzoned India's penetration?

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It seems that India is a little obsessed and is even now actively encouraging brands to stop advertising with Mumsnet.
A picture of a 17 year old with a semi in a skirt will stop a baby formula brand wanting to be associated apparently twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/987348210858577921?s=20

Rat
This is utter bollocks. Genitals are not for public display. And you are fucking damn right I'm going to comment when they are on display around children.

And I have zero interest on whether you choose to get your tits out. But if you choose to put them on public display, you would be deficient in braincells if you thought that they would not attract attention when that's exactly why you did it in the first place.

"Look, as unacceptable as one might find it, I don't think a clothed penis is ever indecent exposure."

That wasn't the point I was making, my point is that the deliberate exposure of MALE genitals is the crime of indecent exposure, and it's a sexual crime against FEMALES.

And men understand that quite well - an erect penis is not equivalent to any part of the female body - and even quite poorly socialized men who may in certain circumstances rape women take steps NOT to expose their erect penis. So when we are presented with a male who does NOT follow these basic social norms that are followed in normal circumstances even by nasty rapists, but instead walk around with no underwear and a visibly erect penis, then we are entitled to draw inferences about that person.

Especially in view of some of the other images of him as seen in this thread.

It IS grooming isn't it Trousers?

Having to justify not wanting children exposed to bare semi erect penises under skirts. Am fucking sick if this.

Keep your fucking dick out of girls' changing rooms and keep it your pants. Fucking ridiculous that just saying this is considered risky these days.

I just want to cry for girls, it's so much worse for them now.

The indecent exposure is what he did in the locker room.

But that isn't where the photo was taken.

The photo was taken when Lila was about to be interviewed by reporters. Lila was not papped.

You really have sunk to frightening depths Rat.

Is there any behaviour that you would not defend if it is a trans person doing it..... Indecent exposure? - 'yes yes but that's not what I'm talking about here'. ....Bare dick erecton clearly protruding under skirt? - 'yes yes but you are looking at his genital area you pervert.'

I think it's your motivations that need questioning

"The photo was taken when Lila was about to be interviewed by reporters. Lila was not papped."

it's a still from a TV news video, to be clear, not a photo.

Males forcing unconsenting people (usually women and girls) to be aware of or interact with their genitals in some way is part of a spectrum of male dominance/violence against women.

Some men talk about their dick to women in a way that is creepy and unnecessary, some men send unsolicited dick pics, some men make obscene gestures and remarks, some men show they have a hard on, some men get it out and force women & girls to look at it, some use it as a weapon of physical violence.

Lila should be kept tabs on, because I think the whole deliberate exposure/violation of female boundaries suggests this is not just a youthful mistake - but a defining element of coercive sexuality.

Thanks for the clarification @TerfinUSA

Also, a lot of men just don't seem to get it.
Gay men get female sexuality completely wrong and the scenarios they think a woman would love to be in are actually utterly terrifying - (i've found this out through different conversations).

As a general point, I am of course well aware of the imbalance between male and female genitals. But I think it advances feminism not one jot to visit that too heavily on young people - or any people for that matter!

When we're weaponising an 18 year old penis and victimising 18 year old breasts you can be sure we're reinforcing the damaging status quo.

FWIW I can assure you my mum was more worried about my reputation than my being sexualised, and oddly I thank her for that. I thank her that in her eyes I was able to be sexually strong as a woman rather than entering womanhood as a pre-conditioned victim, and I think that was as a reaction to the imbalance between the sexes rather than in ignorance of it.

There IS an imbalance, women ARE disproportionately victims - hugely so - but I don't think reducing that to the perpetrator penis (fair game, ripe for public scrutiny) and the victim vagina (impotent, to be protected) is helpful at all.

Disembodied penises don't rape. Rapists do.

Again it’s pushing boundaries.

A male wants to be in with the females changing. So they push and push and try out different scenarios. Can I do it if...? Can I do it if...? What about if I..,?

And instead of a blanket ‘no’ he gets his way. And even when all 200 girls walk out in protest they are ignored. 200 girls saying ‘this is a violation of my boundaries’ and being ignored for it. And the man getting his way.

What a lesson for school age girls. Your consent, your boundaries mean nothing. A man has priority. No means keep trying harder. You are secondary. 200 of you are less important than one of him.

And as for the man involved - that kind of disregard for boundaries, for women’s safety and dignity is what we are uncomfortable about. How can we accept what we are told that a man like that means no harm? A man who repeatedly pushes the boundaries and ignores the no. A man who will challenge 200 girls to get his way.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth

I'm not defending any behaviour, I'm at pains to say I'm NOT defending Lila. I've even used neutral pronouns, which I NEVER do (did you notice?).

I'm simply saying I don't think the scrutiny over someone's clothed body is anything other than gross, and that no amount of justification anyone can give me will change that.

Assigned I will check my motivations. I will.

Hang on a minute. In the UK the age of consent is 16. In The Sun newspaper they would get 16 year old girls to bare their breasts on page 3 and they would be discussed in detail.

Males are pretty much never spoken about in relation to their genitals. I can only remember that unfortunate pic of Terry Woman with a semi.

The whole point is that Lila claimed to be female, entitled to use female private spaces, at the same time as enjoying the feeling of having male genitals swinging free under a skirt. It is a piss take.

Wider awareness of the legitimised narrative of bloggers such as Riley J Dennis is needed...
Retweeted by by India and promoted as one of the 'influencers' to follow.

It's you doing the justification of protruding erect genitals in a school. We all have fucking eyes and brains in our heads. You choose to use yours, to defend a male who takes photos of himself taunting cunnilungus and exposes himself in a girls' changing room.

I'm not engaging with you any further. I can't write what I think about you now without getting deleted and quite frankly I need space from the headfuck that is your defence of this.

To take that photo out of the context of LP’s other photos and online admissions, or his disregard for the wishes of the girls he wants to force himself on is disingenuous.

In The Sun newspaper they would get 16 year old girls to bare their breasts on page 3 and they would be discussed in detail.

And even though she would be engaging in that knowingly I still don't think that's okay. Do you?

Okay Assigned, I absolutely respect your position and the obvious passion with which you hold it. I don't think I've defended and individual, simply stated that I don't think it's okay to scrutinise anyone's clothed genitals. But we don't have to agree, of course we don't. Sorry if I've upset you.

DO you think an erect penis with no underwear under a short skirt is perfectly socially acceptable?

Would you expect an individual doing that to go unremarked if they walked into any social situation? A school parents evening for example? Just standing there swinging your cock around talking about SATS results? No one to bat an eyelid?

How about if you were sitting by the side of the pool and a man you didn’t know in budgie smugglers and a hard on stood by you so your face was by it, then followed you around? Or let’s say your young daughter. Is that normal behaviour? What if they followed her into the changing room and forced her to change next to them? Is that normal behaviour?

Because it isn’t. And if you asked most men they’d be telling you that. The ONLY people who do that are those pushing boundaries. And those people contain a much higher proportion of sex offenders.

Rat, we have to thank you actually, as there are now pages of explanations of why this is unacceptable and IW has advised 48,400 people mumsnet are talking abut it.

Cool

And even though she would be engaging in that knowingly I still don't think that's okay. Do you?

I think the sexism, objectification and the exploitation of young women is appalling - but this is not like for like.
Lila is being sexist, Lila is treating others like objects, Lila is exploiting legislation for Lila's own gain.

We are calling Lila out not perving ourselves ffs.

If it was wrong to use that photo in the first place on Mumsnet, why is it okay for India to put it on Twitter?

I don't think it's okay to scrutinise anyone's clothed genitals. But we don't have to agree,

This is how the gaslighting is done.

We don't want men in our spaces.

They're not men.

We don't want transwomen in our spaces because they are biological men.

No they're not, they're the same as you.

Here's one showing his penis hanging free, at exactly the same time as he is telling girls they are bigots for objecting to him in their intimate space.

OMG that's just pervy, stop looking at his genitals.

And on and on.

It's really little wonder that women go back to beginning and re-draw the line in the sand, with the determination to ignore preferred pronouns, etc.