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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Barber in Worcester refuses to cut any woman's hair

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chocolatesun · 20/04/2018 10:31

Sorry this is long but better to give the full story, I think.

A few months ago I popped into a local trendy looking barber in Worcester to have my three year old daughter's hair trimmed. When I asked if they cut children's hair the staff said they wouldn't cut her hair because she is a girl. Something like,'we don't cut girls' hair'. I was taken aback and embarrassed but left without making a fuss.

It did bother me, though, so I called back later to clarify and specifically asked whether they wouldn't cut her hair because: (a) she is female or (b) because they don't/can't do girl's hairstyles. The staffed confirmed it was (a). I said their refusal to cut her hair because she is female is in breach of the equalities act (if it was to do with their training and ability to cut her hair, that would be different). The staff member suggested I call back to speak to the owner.

When I called again to speak to the business owner he was incredibly rude and confirmed they do not cut females' hair. He told me they were barbers and said I should go look up the meaning of barber in the dictionary. He also called me sweetheart! He was utterly misogynistic.

His attitude took me by surprise as I'd assumed the staff had just got it wrong and had been expecting a polite call and maybe an apology from the owner.

Although I was fuming I dropped the entire thing because with a baby and a three year old I really have enough to deal with. I didn't even tell him off for calling me sweetheart as I felt he was spoiling for a fight. However I've just seen that it is is now shortlisted for the MOBAA barber awards for customer service!!

What do mumsnetters think, should I drop this completely on the basis that not every battle needs to be fought? Or am I being pathetic for letting the bully barber win?

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foxyliz26 · 20/04/2018 13:51

Back in the 1970,s a lot of us girls wanted a feathercut , no hairdresser would cut it that short , we found a barber who cut mine and my G/F,S, my dad went apeshit and so did Fiona,s dad

after that the poor barber refused to cut girls hair !

now some hairdressers refuse to cut some lesbians hair because they wont cut it short enough !
so most lesbians we know go to gay barbers , not a problem

sashh · 20/04/2018 13:54

OP

There are hairdressers that don't cut Caucasian hair.

This is for exactly the same reason as the barber, the qualifications are different.

Frequency · 20/04/2018 13:56

Barbering and hairdressing are different. The barber probably did not know how to cut women's/girl's hair. Even on similar styles, the technique/cutting style is different. Women generally want straight lines and a sleeker finish, therefore the hair is cut straight whereas men's cut are shaggier and messier and are chipped into rather than cut straight across. The combs and scissors tend to be different too, so it's possible he didn't have the right tools.

I find it easier to cut men's hair with a cutting comb rather than a barbering comb but I learned hairdressing before barbering so I'm more comfortable with the shorter hairdressing and cutting combs than the longer, thicker barbering ones. I can use barbering tools on men but would find it very difficult to do a decent straight trim with barbering combs.

missyB1 · 20/04/2018 13:56

So what if some barbers want their shop to be a male only space? Maybe their clients like it that way? My DH loves his man chats with his barber, they know each other very well now! Yes I have taken ds in there in the odd occasion but no way would I want my haircut in there - you should see the state of DH Grin

ParisUSM · 20/04/2018 13:58

@chocolatesun, I'm Scottish. Used to join a huge queue of people (wasn't the only woman)at an Edinburgh barbers getting a flat top in the 80s, and later getting the sides shaved as I grew it out. The barber had to do exactly the same haircut on my hair as he did for all the men. Seems nuts to me to talk about male spaces when women are in there all the time.

MrPan · 20/04/2018 14:02

Barber: And is there anything needed for the weekend?
3 yo: Yes 6 lollipops please!
Barber: Err...

hackmum · 20/04/2018 14:02

I thought the best way to resolve this was to look it up! Here's the advice from the Equalities Commission:

www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/advice-and-guidance/equality-law-hairdressers-barbers-and-beauty-salons

In short, it is illegal for the barber to provide a service only for men unless (waffle alert) he has a good reason to justify it.

"If you run a beauty-related business and want to provide separate services for men and women or a single-sex service for men or women only, then you need to be able to objectively justify providing your service in this way. You must meet other conditions as well, such as that a joint service would be less effective, or that men’s needs and women’s needs are different."

chocolatesun · 20/04/2018 14:03

Hi- Frequency and Sassh

I won't repeat the whole thread but if you read through my posts it wasn't about hair type or style.

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WaxOnFeckOff · 20/04/2018 14:04

One of our local barbers cuts men's hair and childrens unisex but not women so it is possible but they do explicity say this on the shop signs and website (well it says men and unisex children, the no women is by default). I used to take my son's there as they had longer styles so the staff weren't phased by cutting their hair even though it was a barbers. Obv cheaper than a salon though. We stopped going as they weren't actually really any good for the type of styles DSs wanted. One of those walk in places wanted over £40 to cut my teen sons hair as he was over 12. No inbetween price, just child up to 12 or adult. One DS (17) now goes to a lovely modern salon and they do his for £17. Ds2 is 16 and hasn't had a haircut at all for years, it's longer than most women's hair now.

NextInLine · 20/04/2018 14:06

I recently read a story where a woman from Australia encountered the same thing. Apparently it's because barbering and hairdressing are different qualifications, so I'd imagine it would affect their insurance to cut female hair as they are not qualified to do so.

Itscurtainsforyou · 20/04/2018 14:09

I am amazed by some of replies here. We regularly take my boys to a barbers for their hair cut - it never crossed my mind that it was an male adult only space!

OP - I would be peeved by the owner's rudeness but probably wouldn't go further than telling my mates.

Frequency · 20/04/2018 14:12

I've read your posts. You went in asked for a trim for your young daughter. Barbers are not trained and probably do not have the right tools to trim a female's hair, unless you were happy for a shaggy cut, in which case, go back and ask for that. I'm sure they'll be happy to take your money.

Cutting precise straight lines is something hairdressers are taught and it's very hard to get right. I don't blame the poor bloke for not wanting to do it if he's not a qualified, experienced hairdresser, especially not on a child.

The customer service issue is a bit of a red herring. Yeah, it would've nice if they weren't rude but you and your daughter are not their customers.

Would you expect a landscape gardening company to be polite to someone who rang up questioning why their staff refused to build a garden wall or lay a patio?

WaxOnFeckOff · 20/04/2018 14:14

When my DM was up for a visit years ago, she came with me to the local turkish barbers to get pre school DSs hair cut, it was a great place, they did the wet shaves etc too. My DM was fascinated as despite being the mother to 4 sons, she'd never stepped foot in a barbers before. Loads of mothers were there waiting and DSs always got a lollypop afterwards. :)

I think it probably is more to do with qualifications than anything else.

MrPan · 20/04/2018 14:15

Oh OP I don't mind about men only spaces.

It's just funny you thinking you intimidated him.
Unless you had your dd hanging off one hip and a sawn off shotgun cradled in the crook of your other arm whilst screaming " Cut her fucking hair or I'll blast your fucking head off! " I would have my doubts you actually did make him feel threatened..

DioneTheDiabolist · 20/04/2018 14:17

DS1 has been refused a trim in 2 barbers. He has longish curly hair. Both said that they only do short back and sides and razor cuts. One of the Times I was refused, I took him ton my hairdresser. Who also refused as they don't cut men's hair at all.

I was well pissed off that day.

mirialis · 20/04/2018 14:18

I am amazed by some of replies here. We regularly take my boys to a barbers for their hair cut - it never crossed my mind that it was an male adult only space!

Many are not.

Some are.

The OP obviously found one that is!

chocolatesun · 20/04/2018 14:20

MrPan, ok maybe I was overthinking that one! 😂

There have been some great comments here and thanks all for interacting. I think I'm starting to repeat myself now so will bow out from this chat. Happy Friday all 😊

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Rufustheconstantreindeer · 20/04/2018 14:24

I dont get it

If i take dd into a barber and say can it be layered with a fringe, straightened and popped in an updo....I absolutely get the point of posters on here

If she wants a number 2 i don't understand why she cant go to the barbers

And yes...i am happy for the barber to decide whose hair he cuts, but a number of posters seem to be saying that mens hair is so totally different that a barber couldn't possibly give a woman a short back and sides

Is it the tits? They do get in the way...but not usually in the way of my head

And yes im joking about the tits

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 20/04/2018 14:26

Oh and I understand the idea that some barbers would only do short back and sides and wouldnt cut long straight hair no matter whose head it is on Smile

Shadowboy · 20/04/2018 14:29

Is this post for real. It’s a barbers. They are pretty much trained to cut men’s hair, beards etc. They would be used to dealing with men’s hair styles. Just find a hairdresser. I can’t see why you’d kick up a fuss?

There are so so many hairdressers in Worcester.

tortelliniforever · 20/04/2018 14:31

It's annoying but my hairdresser is worse. They allow men not to have a blow dry but women have to pay for one! I have short fine hair which is dry by the time they finish cutting so they wet it in order to dry it. Confused I have stopped going for this reason.

Frequency · 20/04/2018 14:32

Men's hair is the same, Rufus, but the cutting technique is different because men want a slightly different finish (generally speaking).

A barber could do a short back and sides on a woman if they wanted it to sit the way a man's short back and sides does and not like some of the shorter styles women wear that appear very similar.

The way the hair is cut affects the way it sits and can be styled and barbers are not taught how to cut predominantly female styles. We didn't even do colouring and perming on my course but I assume that's because it was a top-up course for qualified hairdressers.

I did the cutting unit of barbering and it is totally different to hairdressing and mostly focuses on clipper techniques and uniform layers. There's not even a module for straight across cuts in the current barbering qualification.

FrangipaniBlue · 20/04/2018 14:35

DS gets his haircut by a Barber, they don't cut women's/girls hair but it's certainly not a male only space - the "Barber" is female and I sit and crack with her while his hair is being cut, never been made to feel unwelcome Confused

As others have said, entirely different training/qualification to a hairdresser.

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 20/04/2018 14:38

frequency

That's exactly my point

I will not go to a barber...because my shorter than DH hair is styled in a slightly more feminine way

If i wanted exactly the same style as dh and the barber is ok with it my hair is not different to his

(Im lying...his hair is curly, mine is as straight as a die.)

I am not saying barbers should do feminine styles but if the woman doesnt want a feminine style then i dont see the problem

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 20/04/2018 14:39

There's not even a module for straight across cuts in the current barbering qualification.

Thats a fair enough point Grin can't debate that one

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