Ulster Rugby trial -continued

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I'm not the one wanting to tie employment rights to legal sexual activity. That disgusting attitude led to years of homophobia.

I disapprove of their disgusting attitude to women and therefore I don't feel they are a suitable role model for kids, either boys or girls Do you, anne?

Imagine them visiting a school, the kids going home and googling their names? Or putting a picture up of themselves and their hero and then discovering what they are famous for besides rugby?

Had those WhatsApp messages been about black people, or disabled people, or gay people we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Had they put up a picture of a group of gay men and called them "Belfast faggots" would they be reinstated? I bet not.

Had they ganged up three on one against a black person (man or woman), called them names and sent them home bleeding and crying, and met for lunch and laughed about it afterwards while sharing photographs of a different black person being beaten up would they be sacked? Of course they fucking would.

But because it was all "just" sexism, "just" about women, it's all ok now? Just a laugh, just a bit of fun. Fuck that.

Trolls are out and about on twitter too 🙄

Obvious goady fuckers everywhere.

Oh dear, "people's sex lives", before I get checkmated for a typo.

"Just women" is about right. That woman's distress, and physical injury, was documented in court. It wasn't even denied. What woman get's so injured and distressed after consensual, enjoyable sex?

It's utter misogyny. This thing that women can get injured after sex that they consented to, and enjoyed - it's gaslighting. It porn-culture. Violent porn culture.

When women enjoy sex they don't make a sodding police report, or send texts like that.

No crime was committed. The judgement is there in black and white.

I personally find what happened distasteful, but I'm not narcissistic enough to believe my tastes should dictate the world.

Are you calling me bigoted anneoneill? That's against MN rules.

So is libel. Tread carefully.

Those men behaved appallingly, is my opinion.The evidence in court leads me to that opinion, the evidence reported in the media. We're allowed to say that. Regardless of verdict. It's a fair opinion. The men's own testimony/evidence in court leads me to believe that.

I think employment law allows for people to be sacked even if they aren't actually convicted of crimes. I suspect most jobs have some sort of "bringing the firm into disrepute" clause, or a "reasonable behaviour" or "reasonable expectation" clause.

I think most people who work with children should know something about respect and boundaries and morals and good behaviour - lessons these men seem to have missed.

They have shown that they are totally unsuitable to do that part of their job (the ambassador, representative, role model part). That's why they should lose their jobs - they can no longer do them, because of their admitted behaviour and attitudes, nothing to do with being found guilty or not in court.

Is that a threat?

SueMeAnne

Well even "SueMePaddy" apologised for his behaviour outside court. So I think we're allowed to be disgusted by the behaviour he apologised for.

He disgusts me, and so do his mates.

#SueMeAnne could catch on

I would have expected the defence to say if it was his blood.

But he will have had his DNA taken, that would show him as a liar. DNA testing would also show if it was female or male.

Paddy Jackson is a poor excuse for a man.
Yes anne I'm kink/slut shaming him and his friends and I don't care. Violent group sex with a woman where you havent established enthusiastic consent or safe words etc is grim and deserves to be judged.
They are the archetype of misogyny and rape culture.

Calls other posters bigots, then threatens possible libel action. Amazing.

Cheers for posting Anne. You've reminded me I need to get on to Ulster Rugby's sponsors to tell them what'll happen to my business if Jackson and Olding come back and IRFU, I hadn't got round to it yet. Will do now though!

Does anyone know the relevance of the yellow flowed that were sent to the complainant and which were not revealed at trial. I can’t see anything that explains it.

So is libel. Tread carefully.

A little bit of research suggests that we can offer the following defence:

"The defence of "fair comment" may be available to a defendant who can show that the defamatory statement amounted to an opinion which was honestly held and based up facts which were true."

Based upon the facts that were not disputed at the court case and may therefore be held to be true - that the woman was bleeding and that she left the house in a distressed state after more than one man engaged in sexual activity with her and that the men involved in the evening's events subsequently exchanged messages which were "degrading and offensive" (Paddy Jackson's own words) - I can state that my honestly held opinion is that the men on trial, although found not guilty in a court of law, exemplify the worst elements of the twenty-first century rape culture. And further, my honestly held opinion based on facts which are true is that these men, although they have been found not guilty of the crime of rape and have the right to earn a living, should not be in a position where they are looked up to as role models by young people.

Excellent post! I agree with your honestly held opinion.

Let's remember too that the standard of proof in defamation cases is only the balance of probabilities.

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