Ulster Rugby trial -continued

[ZibbidooZibbidooZibbidoo]

New thread.

[NotBadConsidering]

I read this also. It might have escaped me in the initial discussion and I don’t want to go back and RTFT, but in what other situation would the employer of the accused be contacted by the police first? Why did the police let Ulster Rugby know first so Les Kiss was the one to tell Jackson he needed to present to the police station? If someone accused of rape works for Tesco, is their manager who lets them know? Or is this a privilege afforded to these guys?

[mazylou]

www.theguardian.com/news/2018/dec/04/rugby-rape-trial-ireland-belfast-case

[iheartmichellemallon]

Me too Dibbo.

[Dibbosteme]

They will be small fish in a bigger sea. If the French are prepared to tolerate their behaviour, then good luck with that.

I just hope they never play for Ulster or Ireland again.

[GrainneWail]

Poor PJ, life and career completely ruined by a false accusation. Oh. Wait..

[BlooperReel]

I can only hope those two cretins, particularly PJ, have learned something about actual consent in all this, not this 'presumed consent' bullshit.

[QuentinSummers]

Ugh. At least they are in separate places. I hope French women give the nasty little fuckers a wide berth

[Totallymyownperson]

Looks like paddy has a new team as well. Another French club. So much for having no job offers😡
Only good thing I can think of is the woman will not bump into them while they are in France

[CarrotyO]

New club for SO

Signed within 6 weeks of their trial. So much for their lives being ruined by a rape accusation then. My thoughts are with the victim.

[Berthatydfil]

So not U.K./ Ireland based - I assume no U.K. sponsors and recently relegated, but have an Irish coach.
Looks to me like a good deal on both sides —cynically— he gets away from U.K. media spotlight and they are probably desperate for some “names” to bolster the side following a difficult season.

[Dibbosteme]

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/44279107

New club for SO.

[kikashi]

Thanks for that Dibbosteme. Lie low for a few years and then quietly come back to the big league. I don't think they will ever play internationally for Ireland or any Irish teams again.

[Dibbosteme]

From the Guardian today

www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/may/04/paddy-jackson-stuart-olding-ulster-rugby-acquittals

[Xenophile]

Good news.

At least sponsors understand that being associated with the club that mops up dross won't reflect well.

[Step]

Dr Moribus

Let's look at rugby as not just a game at this level but a commercial concern. Would you want your company culture to reflect the mores of society? If so then you have to try and stamp out misogyny and any other form of poor behaviour. Ungentlemanly conduct as rugby often refers to it. So, using your example if you want to go and play for "Engerland" (sorry it's an Irish thread I couldn't resist :-) ) you not only need to be a fabulous footballer but keep to the codes set out in the game and by your employer. Not bringing them into disrepute is one of them. They are role models to our kids when they hit professional level whether they like it or not it goes with the job.
If I'm honest Schadenfreude to an extent has kicked in for me in the case of PJ and SO to a lesser extent. I'm sure they'll find employment even if it is jobs for the boys in the NI context, or within rugby outside the island.

[TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross]

The BBC is reporting that the deal fell through because of concerns expressed by sponsors A J Bell about the need for the club to reflect their strong values, here

Good for them - as usual, money is the only thing that talks for some, so good to see those who have it using it to make a positive statement.

[BelfastConnection]

Irresponsible, misogynistic, male sexual aggressors should not be sporting, or any other, national representatives.

[BelfastConnection]

Dr Moribus, they may not wish to be, understand or care if they are role models, but the fact is they will be seen by others, at influential stages of their adolescent development, as role models and that, frankly, is dangerous.

[Dibbosteme]

@Totally

Thanks for the link, this comment sums it up rather well

"Press Association Sport understands that Sale explored the possibility of taking Jackson and Olding to the AJ Bell Stadium for next season only for the club’s hierarchy to decide against it".

[Dibbosteme]

@Fermats

Thanks for explaining, this makes sense.

[Dibbosteme]

@DrMorbius

Back in the day both rugby and football were exclusively for "the boys". These days successful clubs often have women's and girls teams. Do parents really want their daughters (or sons) looking up to people who have behaved like PJ and SO?

When my DC were very young they saw people like the Spice girls and footballers like Beckham as heroes, so they were role models, whether they wanted to be or not. The age groups who followed them also needed parental funding to buy their goods.

Adults can make their own choices. Many adult men just do not see why women are so appalled by the behaviour of PJ and SO. Reading the comments made by so many men on social media and even some better newspapers demonstrates this very well.

[DrMorbius]

One where they weren't held up as role models for children

Devil’s Advocate - decades back I was involved in football. Guys I knew went on to play for England. We were all typical boys from council estates. Not one of them wanted to be a “role model”. It was other people holding them up as “role models”, not them.

I may be being pedantic, but if a company refuses to employ the rugby guys because of their repulsive behaviour, I am OK with that. Likewise if an employer decides to hire them, I am OK with that. I can take my patronage else where.

But I have never got this role model gig.

[Totallymyownperson]

Looks like they might have to shovel shit

www.cotswoldjournal.co.uk/sport/national/16200588.Sale_Sharks_rule_out_signing_Paddy_Jackson_and_Stuart_Olding/

[FermatsTheorem]

As far as I know if you're going to be talking to a whole class supervised by a teacher you don't have to be DBS checked (same with eg authors doing book readings). But coaching clubs where you're alone with the children you do need to be checked.