It's a real cis-privilege to...

[MrsWooster]

Have had periods for 35years.
Have a reduced pension because of two maternity leaves and part time work.
Have suffered crippling post natal depression, still affecting my life when dc is 5.
Have T2 diabetes as a result of gestational diabetes.
Have all the joyous symptoms of menopause and face osteoporosis and other diseases according to how and if I treat the symptoms.
Have a constant awareness, sometimes fear, of men and potential violence when I go out.
Have an awareness of being the object of the gaze. All. The. Time.

I posted a humorous (?) meme on fb about the bastardliness of menopause and suddenly calculated the ways in which female biology has not been a privilege in my life. Of course, as a woman, I have to conciliate and see the other side of the argument so yes, I have the privilege of carrying my children and the tattered fanjo and incontinence that have resulted.

Your analogy TERFraggette about the horses and being turned into dog food, sums it up perfectly.
Trans women will never experience any of our so called ‘privileges’...
Sitting on the toilet in agonising pain, waiting to pass my miscarried baby, bleeding so much I couldn’t leave the bathroom for 2 days. Losing 3 litres of blood after a long induced labour and birth, plus vaginal and perineal damage, it taking weeks before I felt anything close to human again.
Not to mention the cramps, flooding, diahorrea, acne that accompanies every period. It just makes me so cross to hear these men talking about ‘women’s privileges’ they have no fucking clue

I think I have reached #peaktrans

Let's turn this on it's head. Let's consider for a moment that women have the priveldge of suffering less discrimination and less physical/sexual violence than a transwoman.

Unproven but I would suspect likely

Let's ignore for the moment the very real discomfort that women feel when their body is exposed / in a vulnerable position to a male ( biological) i.e. Let's ignore women's feelings of being different to transwoman in favour of transwomens feelings of being the same.

We could argue that som epriveldges have been granted to us...the priveldge of being able to compete at an international level in sport, the priveldge of aws , the priveldge of being able to ask for a woman when having an intimate examination or when being looked after following a sexual assault. These priveldges we know are based on sex because gender identity means absolutely nothing when it comes to discrimination against women.

Will allowing them the priveldges of competing in female sport, being allowed on all women shortlists, being allowed to work in a rape crisis centre change society so that they they suffer only the discrimination that a woman Suffers? I suspect not. Will it do this without increasing the discrimination that women suffer!? I know not. Will we be able to track and prove this? I suspect not.

The part of the article I was referring to was the part where is explains the science behind behind trans

The part of the article I was referring to was the part where is explains the science behind behind trans

But the article really doesn't do what you think it does, katsumoto8.

If you'd spent a little time reading about on this forum instead of rushing into just one single thread, you'd have seen we've had a couple of very detailed discussions about this very thing over the last couple of days. You should read around: I'm sure you'd find it interesting.

Science has not come up with a definitive explanation for trans identities. Neither does it ever suggest that human beings can change sex. In fact, if doctors were to treat transwomen as women of the female sex, they could hurt them. Science knows this.

The closest science has come (as you'll see if you read some of the recent threads here) is to suggest the possibility of a biological basis for gender dysphoria - there is a difference in one small area of the brain concerned with body image in gender dysphoric people. This does not explain a trans identity in non-dysphoric trans people, who now make up a very large proportion of the trans population. Neither does it evidence the existence of such a thing as a "gender identity".

The comparison should really be with people of the same sex who are not trans, not those who are both A) not trans and B) the opposite sex.

Yes, totally agree with this. How can you accurately pinpoint discrimination specifically for being trans if you are mixing other factors in with it?

As most of the women who post regularly on this board are gender-critical feminists, we see very few women on here who identify as 'cis'. katsumoto8, I am curious as to whether you, as a self-declared cis woman, feel that you have 'cis privilege' over us gender-critical/gender non-conforming women?

I am curious as to whether you, as a self-declared cis woman, feel that you have 'cis privilege' over us gender-critical/gender non-conforming women?

Interesting question! Genuinely interested in the answer.

Yes, me too! Bloody good question and not one I've ever though to ask! How would you approach answering it, do you think, katsumoto8?

Hi all,
We just wanted to flag to everyone on this thread that the @poster function does send an email to everyone tagged ( @katsumoto8, to demonstrate) so might be a facility best used sparingly? Certainly, if someone has asked a poster to stop looping them into the conversation, it's polite to comply.

Thanks Helen! Agree it should be used sparingly, most people aren't necessarily wanting lots of "mentions" in their inbox in the Twitter sense.

You can turn the email notifications off altogether in your account settings, somewhere. Accessed via the desktop website only I think.

Yep, cis privilege is bullshit.

It's just another way to keep women in line because the others don't work as well as they used to.

Thanks Assassinated.

The thing is I liked the alert in my inbox, Assassinated, until this poster used it as a harassment tactic. Then it got right up my nose when they refused to stop.

@katsumoto8

That's an interesting approach isn't it bewilderness, using harassment and refusing to stop when you are trying to convince women they suffer less harassment and are privileged?

I didn't use it as a harassment tactic - you said don't @ me again and I thought you meant don't reply again but then you replied to something I'd said so I answered back -I didn't realise it sent an email.