It's a real cis-privilege to...

[MrsWooster]

Have had periods for 35years.
Have a reduced pension because of two maternity leaves and part time work.
Have suffered crippling post natal depression, still affecting my life when dc is 5.
Have T2 diabetes as a result of gestational diabetes.
Have all the joyous symptoms of menopause and face osteoporosis and other diseases according to how and if I treat the symptoms.
Have a constant awareness, sometimes fear, of men and potential violence when I go out.
Have an awareness of being the object of the gaze. All. The. Time.

I posted a humorous (?) meme on fb about the bastardliness of menopause and suddenly calculated the ways in which female biology has not been a privilege in my life. Of course, as a woman, I have to conciliate and see the other side of the argument so yes, I have the privilege of carrying my children and the tattered fanjo and incontinence that have resulted.

"Cis" is not a synonym for "biologically female". I think you are a bit confused.

Short versions that work: man, woman, male, female.

@katsumoto8. Can you explain what is it about yourself that makes you able to say your gender identity matches your sex? What specific aspects of gender identity do you relate to? Is it activity based, like shopping, visually based , like the clothes you wear, things you do, e.g. SAHM or aspects of your character such as nurturing and empathetic? Or a combination of all?

@AssassinatedBeauty I get what you're saying since there is technically just women and men and I get it if people find it offensive. I just think cis is a blanket term that was created to cover most gender conforming people but I do understand now it is used in derogatory ways.

@KatherinaMinola what is cis a term for then because from my understanding it is the term for someone who was born female and also identifies as a woman (the same goes for males and men)

@midgebabe I don't really think I can because I don't really understand the feeling of not conforming with your sex - I don't conform to every female stereotype but I guess I feel like a woman

I was born female, I am a woman.
I don’t indentify with gender at all

Re-read my post regarding "ancient Latin" terms, katsu.

This is indeed how "cis" is used: "from my understanding it is the term for someone who was born female and also identifies as a woman (the same goes for males and men)", but you also seem to be using the term to mean "biologically female". The word for biologically female is "female" or (in the case of humans) "woman".

My analysis is that it's been invented as an othering term rather than a distinguishing term.

not to say cis cannot be used in derogatory it just doesn't have the same negative connotations attached to it like the n word has

Yes it does. It just does not have the history. Yet.
We female women objected from day one to males designating themselves women and females as cis.
8th rule of misogyny: Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.

I'm trying to get the hang of it honestly give me another example

katsumoto8 - I'm sure nobody minds you referring to yourself as cis - you can use any term about yourself that you think describes you - but if a group of women are telling you that they find it an offensive and reductive term, why not just stop using it to refer to others so that you do not cause offence?

I am a woman. I do not have a gender identity. I reject the term cis. All I'm personally asking is that you respect that.

I also think that if transactivists and their allies insist I use terms that they find acceptable and not terms that they don't, it should be a two way street. That's how respect works.

@LangCleg and I completely respect that and get where you're coming from

katsumoto8
Since you refuse to stop referring to women here with a slur I am going to stop engaging with you. Please do not @ me again.

I haven't called anyone here cis and I didn't mean to come across as offensive I was just trying to explain that the main use of the word is not to offend and I'm sorry if that came across the wrong way

@katsumoto8 thanks

it's easy to describe the feeling of not conforming. It's a feeling of fear, uncertainty, insecurity and finally bravado that occurs when you realise that you are the only female in a class or you realise that all the other women are wearing heels, or when the salesman suddenly realises you are interested in the bhp not the colour or the car

I reject the notion of gender.
Men and women should be free to express themselves in any way they want to without judgement or persecution. Without the need to redefine their sex.
Anyone who suffers from dysphoria should be treated with care and respect and offered any treatment that is appropriate to their needs. Drastic life-changing surgery should be the last resort.

@Voice0fReason I agree with that 100%

Some basic questions about sex and gender for progressives

1. Do you believe that being born with the kind of body that has the potential to gestate children – a body with a uterus, ovaries, and a vagina – is of any political significance? Does having that kind of body have any bearing on a person’s likely opportunities and outcomes?

1. Do you believe that people born with those kinds of bodies have historically been subject to any distinct forms of injustice, oppression, exploitation or discrimination? Have they historically been subordinated to the people with penises and testes?

1. Do you believe that people born with those kinds of bodies continue to be subject to any distinct forms of injustice, oppression, exploitation or discrimination?

1. Do you believe that people born with those kinds of bodies often suffer physical and sexual violence, abuse and harassment perpetrated by the people with penises and testes?

1. Do you believe that people born with those kinds of bodies ought to have a label with which to define themselves? Does our language need a word to refer to the people with uteruses and ovaries?

1. Do you believe that people born with those kinds of bodies have a right to organise politically around their shared experiences, and to campaign and work for policies to secure their own interests?

1. Do you believe that people born with those kinds of bodies have a right to associate freely with other people with those kinds of bodies, and to have some separate spaces for their safety, privacy and dignity? Do people with those kinds of bodies have a right to some spaces where people with penises and testes are not permitted to enter?

1. Do you believe that people born with those kinds of bodies sometimes have a right to policies and resources designated towards rectifying their historical and continued marginalisation and oppression?

If your answer to any of these questions is “yes”, you should reject the ideology of gender identity, and policy proposals based on that ideology such as the self-declaration of legal gender.

I definitely think an organic chemist came up with the Cis/trans gender thing. If you look at cis and trans molecules it helps to understand what they are trying to describe.

www.chemguide.co.uk/basicorg/isomerism/geometric.html

However it's about as necessary a prefix as talking about a cis-cow. A cow is just a female domesticated ox or cattle isn't it.

the main use of the word is not to offend

But the effect of the main use of the word is to cause offence to a huge numbers of women. Thus, the decent thing to do is not use it unless you already know that a particular woman thinks of herself that way.

Let's turn it around katsumoto8 - I do not believe gender is anything other than an imposed system of power relationships that disadvantage women in society. Therefore, in my mind, using the preferred pronouns for a trans person is to mis-sex them. But I am aware that they perceive this as misgendering and find it upsetting. So I wouldn't upset a trans person by misgendering them to their face, even though my use of the correct sexed pronouns would be me using them for their main use and not to offend.

Given this, I expect the same courtesy in return.

Do you see what I mean?

@LangCleg yes I see this completely and I feel a similar way

There is no need for the, frankly offensive, "cis" label to differentiate women from trans women. We already have a term and that term is "women."

@GrooovyLass but that sounds like you're saying trans women aren't women

katsumoto8, transgender identified males who identify as transwomen are a subset of males. They experience a delusional disorder called dysphoria. Surely you know this much?

They aren't. They are male. Women already has a meaning. Adult human female.