It's a real cis-privilege to...

[MrsWooster]

Have had periods for 35years.
Have a reduced pension because of two maternity leaves and part time work.
Have suffered crippling post natal depression, still affecting my life when dc is 5.
Have T2 diabetes as a result of gestational diabetes.
Have all the joyous symptoms of menopause and face osteoporosis and other diseases according to how and if I treat the symptoms.
Have a constant awareness, sometimes fear, of men and potential violence when I go out.
Have an awareness of being the object of the gaze. All. The. Time.

I posted a humorous (?) meme on fb about the bastardliness of menopause and suddenly calculated the ways in which female biology has not been a privilege in my life. Of course, as a woman, I have to conciliate and see the other side of the argument so yes, I have the privilege of carrying my children and the tattered fanjo and incontinence that have resulted.

For you to say that obviously means you haven't understood my previous post. I never said talking about any of the issues women face are wrong, I'm just saying that every cis person does have cis privilege but, like I said before, being a cis person is by no means easy, we just don't face discrimination due to being transgender - that is what cis privilege is, not the false information you're spreading.

What everyone hear is talking about is how hard being a woman is compared to a man, not how hard it is being cis compared to being trans.

Of course everyone has the right to talk about the issues they face but to attack trans people at the same time and then label is as feminism is not ok

@katsumoto8 can you explain what the privilege women have who are "cis" as you define them? Is it simply that we aren't discriminated against for being gender non-conforming? Is there another aspect to it too?

PCOS and the resulting facial and chest hair, irregular painful periods and ovulation pain, acne well into middle age and irregularly flooding into my clothes makes me feel soooo cis-privileged.

Perimenopause resulting in thickened facial hair, irregular, unpredictable periods and acne is further proof of my cis-privilege.

What everyone hear is talking about is how hard being a woman is compared to a man, not how hard it is being cis compared to being trans.

That's the point. Im sure it is hard to be transsexual and have gender dysphoria. I don't define myself by medical conditions I don't have though. I'm not "non-anorexic" or "non schizophrenic" either unless we're specifically looking at those things. Is that a privilege? I don't believe that's how it works.

The point is that they are male. They have been socialised as males and to a greater or lesser extent (depending on factors like whether they can pass as female) they have male privilege.

Cis privilege doesn't mean we have it easy, it just means that we don't have to face the same issues trans people have to face due to the fact they are trans, just like white privilege doesn't mean white people all have great lives, it just means we don't have to face discrimination and the issues that come with that because of the colour of our skin. And to say that trans people aren't real like a few of you have put is rude and quite frankly, just ignorant.

This is true. I'd personally never say trans people are 'not real' - they're as real as I am. But you can believe that 'gender' is 'not real' and still be respectful to trans people, imo.

'Cis privilege' is used to shut women who were born women up. To prevent them from saying that they have concerns over 'trans privilege' redefining our language and laws.

Trans people face discrimination. This is true.

'Cis' women face discrimination. This is true.

Neither group experience the same discrimination because they are in different groups.

This is the bit we're not supposed to say, though.

We're supposed to simultaneously believe that trans women ARE women and YET suffer more/better/different discrimination than 'cis' women.

It can't both be true.

Do transwomen have trans privilege then? As they never had to deal with the unwelcome male attention since childhood, never had to go through female puberty, deal with periods, trying not to get pregnant, trying to get pregnant, miscarriage, abortion, cervical smears/cancer, birth, breast feeding, fgm...

I feel really privilaged when I stand up on the train to London and suffer discomfort from a prolapsed uterus from childbirth. Especially as I'm going to college to get yet more qualifications as nobody will give me a middle aged women a job for which I'm highly qualified.

I had to laugh when I tried to get myself on hrt recently. Honestly, you'd think I was asking for crack cocaine the way my GP responded. My sister had a similar response. I should have said I was a mtt.

katsumo - can you give an example of "cis privilege"? Genuine question. Every time I think of what a trans person might say is an example (being able to walk on the street without people whispering "Is that a man or a woman?", not having the admin burden of name changing, not having significant medical treatment....), it falls down IRO GNC people, people who change their names for other reasons, people who have chronic medical conditions etc etc

Oh, hang on, I think I might have one: being represented by "cis" politicians. (Though that too is being eroded in places....)

It is a privilege to be paid less than men and to have the pressure to look good via lots of clothes and grooming, far more so than men, especially when a teenager. Moaning about cis privilege is extremely misogynistic.

katsumo what do you think cis is? It is a made up term that people don’t recognise and find offensive. You can choose to be trans gender, you cannot choose out of your sex.

Apparently I have cis-privilege because I get work as a prostitute far more easily.

@AssassinatedBeauty no it's basically what you just described

@Ereshkigal cis privilege just means you don't face oppression because of the fact you are cis.

@Wombman no one ever said you didn't face your own struggles as a woman. Cis privilege just means you don't face oppression in the same ways trans people do - and that you are privileged in that respect.

So would we be able to say transwomen have transprivilage? I’m not being goady, I honestly asking.

Trans privilege*

@OlennasWimple trans people get verbally abused and even assaulted when using public toilets - people even make them use the toilets of their assigned gender because they're apparently dangerous to children - they have people refusing them to use the correct pronouns and therefore making them feel invalid as a human etc