It's a real cis-privilege to...

[MrsWooster]

Have had periods for 35years.
Have a reduced pension because of two maternity leaves and part time work.
Have suffered crippling post natal depression, still affecting my life when dc is 5.
Have T2 diabetes as a result of gestational diabetes.
Have all the joyous symptoms of menopause and face osteoporosis and other diseases according to how and if I treat the symptoms.
Have a constant awareness, sometimes fear, of men and potential violence when I go out.
Have an awareness of being the object of the gaze. All. The. Time.

I posted a humorous (?) meme on fb about the bastardliness of menopause and suddenly calculated the ways in which female biology has not been a privilege in my life. Of course, as a woman, I have to conciliate and see the other side of the argument so yes, I have the privilege of carrying my children and the tattered fanjo and incontinence that have resulted.

@bellasuewow men can also have cis privilege so it is in no way misogynistic - and believe it or not trans women also get paid less than their male counterparts and are also pressured to look incredibly feminine or else they're ridiculed or told they're not 'real women'.

@bellasuewow people don't just randomly choose to be trans - they're born that way and I don't really understand what you're saying? The words trans and cis are derived from ancient Latin and are definitely not offensive since they're literally just descriptors.

@CircleSquareCircleSquare probably not because trans women are almost not considered 'the norm' and therefore face oppression for being trans but cis women aren't oppressed for being cis (I'm not saying we aren't oppressed in any way because we are)

Anyone who calls me cis IRL when I’ve asked them not to is going to get knocked on their arse. It’s damned disrespectful to keep banging on about it tbh.

Trans women can experiance severe discrimination. That need some to be changed.I do not think that as a woman I can truly understand those problems. So beyond my experiance

That is also why I doubt they can truly understand what being a woman really is

I find cis offensive personally (I can’t speak for others) because I don’t need a prefix in front of woman, I simply am a woman.
There are lots of reasons a prefix is needed of could be used but in this biological sense it is not needed. The Latin argument is nonsensical at best.

I face oppression as a woman, oppression which is very different to that which a transwoman would face. By the very nature of them opting into what they consider womanhood, they have the privilege of taking part in the concert without showing up for the rehearsals. That’s very much a privilege in my book.

I've never met a cis woman.

I LOVE the reasoning that misgendering is ‘invalidating them as a human’. Love it.

Because no woman has ever been called a bitch, a cunt, a whore, a nag, ugly, fat, or any one of a myriad terms that are almost exclusively aimed at women? But being called ‘he’ is like, totes the worst, obviously.

cis privilege just means you don't face oppression because of the fact you are cis.

I know what you think it is. I just don't buy into it. I don't accept cis as a meaningful category. I don't define myself in relation to a group of male people who have a medical condition. I am a woman. That's all I need to say.

Also, it’s really not up to women to make room for trans identified men. Or to coddle their feelings. Or check our privilege. Fuck that noise.

I’m a woman, not a cis.

cis is as offensive as calling a transwoman he.

I am a woman. I am not cis. If you call me cis you are consigning me to a catagorisation that I reject outright.

If I wrote a profile of myself for you I would be identified as a man. It's occasionally amusing when you meet someone for the first time who hasn't recognised babe as a female name.

I am no cis. Neither am I trans. I accept my body the way it is. I do not let other people's boxes constrain what I think or what I do.

On the basis of my sex I have faced discrimination and abuse. Sex matters.

The words trans and cis are derived from ancient Latin and are definitely not offensive since they're literally just descriptors.

But in the case of cisgender it means 'agrees with the gender one was born with.'
And this is where we fall down a rabbit hole - where we should have never conflated sex and gender in the first place.
If a transsexual person is a person who suffers horrendous body disphoria and wishes to make changes so that they can more resemble the opposite sex - then it would, I suppose, be accurate to speak of cissexual people - those of us who do not wish to reconstruct our sex organs. However, as a pp pointed out, we don't describe people as 'non-anorexic' or 'non -schizophrenic.' Considering the tiny proportion of transsexual people out there, and without disregarding the hardship they face in dealing with their condition, it would be nonsensical to define the other 99.97% of the population by their lack of this condition.

Transgender on the other hand, and it's opposite cisgender, is a very different animal. Gender is a social construct, a hierarchy put in place to put men at the top and keep women at the bottom. It is restrictive, reductive and harmful. To tell women that they identify with the gender they identify with is telling them that they identify with all the stereotypes. The softness, the pinkness, the frillyness, the ladybrain, babies and cupcakes and throwing like a girl, I can't do maths, does my bum look big on this? I love being catcalled - it's the ultimate validation, I know my place as a sex object.
Can you not see how in that situation 'cis' is not merely a descriptor - but a harmful and offensive way of telling women to get back in their box and fulfil a particular role?
I don't accept that I have a gender. Therefore I cannot possibly be cisgender. Therefore I cannot possibly have cisprivilege. What I face is discrimination based on being a woman - which as other posters have shared is a massive many headed hydra of oppression. Being told that I cannot talk about this, being silenced for fear of offending someone with my biology is not a privilege, but it is something that is happening to women across the country, and the world.

'cis' is not a descriptor that is accurate for me. And according to TRAs own rules about misgendering or mislabelling - calling me such is literal violence.

*To tell women they identify with the gender they were born with - sorry.

I am a woman. I am not cis. If you call me cis you are consigning me to a catagorisation that I reject outright.

Agree this is why it's so offensive. It's not for anyone else to dismiss that we find it offensive. It's deeply hypocritical of transactivists when they expect people to bend over backwards to address them how they want.

I was so privileged when I was younger and I used to faint with my very painful and heavy periods almost every month.
I felt really specially cared for when the GP had basically zero advice for me except for to ‘try to make sure you’re not on your own at that time of the month’.

That really worked well for me physically and in terms of my anxiety levels and confidence when I had to go out in public alone (which I had to avoid in general) or just to get myself to work and back safely.

I felt super privileged the time I woke up with a double skull fracture, covered in bruises in a hospital in a strange town after i’d fainted and fallen on to a concrete floor in a public toilet where I had gone in to try to sort out the heavy bleeding and to wait for the faintness to pass.

I remember beforehand i’d specifically wanted to get myself to a place that wasn’t a public space (ie to be in female-only space- so a women’s toilets) because knew I was vulnerable to assault or robbery in that state of being likely to faint.

The words trans and cis are derived from ancient Latin and are definitely not offensive since they're literally just descriptors.

So is "nigger", actually. It means "black". Which is literally just a descriptor.

Priveldged to be told I was not lady like enough, and to also be told I was too ladylike.

So katsumoto8 under an hour there have been pleasant posts who reject cis, who find it offensive and tbh people on here aren’t thick. We don’t need a descriptor as you helpfully put it. We know what a woman is. So I’m nicely asking you, please stop using it.

@gamerchick I get that - just like a trans person would probably get annoyed if you kept calling them trans - they should def respect your feelings about it

@CircleSquareCircleSquare yea I hadn't really considered that but I do agree with what you're saying

@katsumoto8 do you think that women ever face any discrimination if they are gender non conforming, but not trans?

@midgebabe I think the word cis is basically just to tell the difference because technically both cis and trans women are women but they're definitely different if you get what I mean? I wouldn't use it in real life but only when I'm talking about trans v cis etc if that makes sense??

nope, its nothing like that.

Technically trans women are not women. That's why they're trans.