Shon Fay smearing mumsnet on twitter.

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I'm blocked by Shon so can't read her tweets, but someone posted this screenshot

Worth reposting a link to James Kirkup's recent article in the Spectator, link here: blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/fear-and-loathing-grips-the-gender-debate/

Its bloody good!
Extract here:

" Second, the people responsible for the fear and abuse these women suffer are not representative of transgender people as a whole; the transgender population must be assumed to contain as wide a distribution of vice and virtue as any other group. Indeed, some of those involved in this debate suspect that at least some of the real authors of that fear and abuse are not transwomen but men intent on frightening and diminishing women. Certainly, some male supporters of transgender rights seem to take a certain pleasure in the anxieties of women who question that agenda.

How did we get here? How can it be that in modern, democratic and free Britain in the early 21st Century, women are frightened to meet or talk about law, politics and society? Don’t we have institutions and, more important, social norms that say this shouldn’t happen, can’t happen? Shouldn’t this stuff get the attention and interest of politicians who are supposed to listen to all the different strands of public opinion, and ensure that everyone gets a chance to speak and be heard?

'It's so sad to see so much anger'

In the words of Malcom X anger is a gift

Mumsnet is our safe space to discuss important topics relating to us as biological women

But not, I hope never, a 'safe space' in the appalling way this term is now being misused to mean 'echo chamber'!

The rise of 'safe spaces' in that sense, while simultaneously real, physical safe spaces for women are being threatened makes me sick.

In the words of the Clash:

'Let fury have the hour, anger can be power,
You know that you can use it.'

How did we get here? How can it be that in modern, democratic and free Britain in the early 21st Century, women are frightened to meet or talk about law, politics and society? Don’t we have institutions and, more important, social norms that say this shouldn’t happen, can’t happen? Shouldn’t this stuff get the attention and interest of politicians who are supposed to listen to all the different strands of public opinion, and ensure that everyone gets a chance to speak and be heard?

I don’t know either

I think it’s because we’re second class citizens and we don’t live in a democracy, just an illusion of one.

Anger is an energy
-John Lydon

Terfs thanks I was feeling inspired.

FarFrom
Imagine saying to someone with a disability or mental health condition

wow that's kinda transphobic innit?

TRAs dimwittedness will help the feminist cause

Morning all!
We try to take the Michelle Obama approach here, as you all know , so in that spirit we have deleted some posts that we found a little goading in tone.

Is Lily Maynard in here? I just bumped into her blog when I was looking for something else... Definitely has the feel of a mumsnetter!

You do a great job Helen.

Facebook was used to coordinate the attack on the women on their way to a meeting at Speakers Corner. Shouldn't Shon be arguing for them to be punished/censured for allowing that to happen on their platform?

Thanks, Helen. For demonstrating that MN is not a 'safe space' echo chamber, but a place where even-handed moderation is applied so that rational discussion can take place.

Daff0dil: Next up, Alison Grant Milbank, a literary scholar

Thanks for that link. I studied under Alison and she was ace -so smart and lovely. I'm really glad she gets it.

Exactly. The rules are different here because it's run by and for women and, therefore, is a place where we can be honest about the endless abuse and gaslighting the male-dominated world heaps upon us.

That’s so true, Jennifer. I imagine there are probably men working in MNHQ, but they won’t be able to decide the direction that Mumsnet takes, as the organisation is run BY women FOR women. And those women obviously have the ovaries to take no shit or permit men to take over. (BTY I’m not assuming that the MNHQ men would want to do that) I wonder if that is because they aren’t (sorry, just guessing here) young, right on, men pleasing women, but females with actual real life experience of what crap women have to put up with?

When the self I’d situation and the risk to women was originally talked about on Mumsnet, they moderated very heavily and closed down any mention of the situation, but there is a big difference between Mumsnet and the other avenues, such as Twatter and Facebook. Mumsnet actually respects their members and decided to, listen to us and let us speak. I would say that Mumsnet is THE main reason that the self I’d threat has come to public attention.

For all the posters that bleat on about too many trans threads, there are many times more women, men and transsexuals posting, analysing and discussing how women, as a truly abused group, can protect ourselves. I can’t imagine the pressure MNHQ comes under from the TRAs/MRAs to shut us down. They are the quiet heroes that are protecting women, by continuing to give us a voice and for that I’m extremely grateful. 💐

I would say that Mumsnet is THE main reason that the self I’d threat has come to public attention. They are the quiet heroes that are protecting women, by continuing to give us a voice and for that I’m extremely grateful

Hear Hear!

On the too many trans threads complaints, can these people not just scroll past stuff they're "bored" by? I mean, if I can ignore the parking threads...

if it helps at all, Angry, I used to get annoyed at “all the trans threads”, and it was in part because I was growing more and more uncomfortable with the divide between what I was told to believe as a good little libfem and what people were actually saying on here.

That is, uncomfortable in the sense of cognitive dissonance - people on here would be talking about the ethics of transitioning children, and my head would go “but that all sounds totally reasonable and of course I’d agree with that... but that’s not what I’m supposed to think... does not compute, must be something I’m missing somewhere, ARGH SHUT UP.”

Some of the complaints do have a "stop making me think about this, the cognitive dissonance required to maintain the right on view is giving me migraines" tone to them.

You will definitely get the vapours of you visit grandma in hospital and nurse doris is arguing with her that sheis a woman and must be allowed to examine her stitches whilst granny is saying 'but you have a beard! 6"3! Hands like shovels!'.

Some of the complaints do have a "stop making me think about this, the cognitive dissonance required to maintain the right on view is giving me migraines" tone to them.

Indeed. The spin is breathtakingly effective.

Unravelling it takes time, effort and patience.

Fortunately, once it starts to unravel, the rate increases exponentially.

Oh god the comment about dick sucking and tits talk at school and being sluttier just made me feel sick. No self respecting women would say that.

I have no issue with trans people but I do with vile ones and they certainly are.

If you think your body is all you have and treat yourself like an object it says way too much about you.

If you truly wish to be a woman you would stand against objectification, right?

I stay away from these threads as I don't feel like I have much to add but this one has made me genuinely sad. How can you be expected to have anyone take you seriously when you talk like that, but I bet they do and that's even more worrying. There will be young people out there idolising them because they think they are being liberal so perpetuating the exact shit that I don't want my children to have to deal with.