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ManFriday is on Good Morning Britain

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SwearyG · 19/03/2018 07:06

Amy, the architect and hero of ManFriday has been invited on Good Morning Britain this morning. As far as we know the interview will be 7:40am. Please tune in.

I’ll take one for the team and watch from now, updating the thread when I see she comes on Grin as it’s the very least I can do considering she is going up against Piers Morgan and Peter Tatchell.

Good luck to her!

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BreakWindandFire · 20/03/2018 10:06

Completely agree about Littlejohn Ellen. Same for Rod Liddle - he may be a terf but he's got a police caution assaulting his pregnant wife. Or Caroline Farrow, an anti-feminist anti-abortion campaigner.

They're pretty dangerous as allies - because they aren't. They just dislike trans people a little more than women. Any association with them risks making the campaign look bigoted.

merrymouse · 20/03/2018 10:13

Agree Break. People who are anti trans because they don't like people who challenge gender norms aren't really allies.

CadyHeron · 20/03/2018 10:19

Then again, you say you want men to notice and start calling self ID out for change to happen. They are starting too,so I think this is a good thing.

CadyHeron · 20/03/2018 10:19

to not too. Hmm

CadyHeron · 20/03/2018 10:21

It's only salient that I find myself agreeing with Richard Littlejohn on a matter of basic common sense because the entire left-wing commentariat (with a few honourable exceptions) is claiming that black is white

Absolutely, I'm not particularly left or right but I'm definitely always on the side of basic, common sense and that's sorely lacking now.

TerfsUp · 20/03/2018 10:21

People who are anti trans because they don't like people who challenge gender norms aren't really allies.

Nonsense. I am female and don't conform to female gender norms. Never have; never will. That doesn't make me trans. It makes me someone who is myself.

TerfsUp · 20/03/2018 10:22

And what's with this "allies" crap? I never hear trans activists say that they are women's allies. It all flows in only one direction.

CadyHeron · 20/03/2018 10:24

Nonsense. I am female and don't conform to female gender norms. Never have; never will. That doesn't make me trans. It makes me someone who is myself.

Yus!! Me too. WTF is a female gender norm, anyway?! Does that mean I should be wearing pretty make up and start shaving my legs?!
Screw that, then. Grin
I'm ME. Very female,always be. Though bog off with gender norms.

BreakWindandFire · 20/03/2018 10:32

And what's with this "allies" crap? I never hear trans activists say that they are women's allies. It all flows in only one direction

Sadly it does, but I think that feminists have to be careful as trans activists will try anything to paint objections to self-ID as bigotry. If you associate with a wife-beater like Liddle, then it's going to look like we hate trans people more than we support women.

It's like raising the issue of child grooming. If you ally yourself with Britain First or the BNP then your audience will shy away, and it's fear of being seen as racist which has probably slowed down the tackling of the issue.

They go low, we go high. Even if we have to grit our teeth. They punch women in the head, we make a respectful case. They make a fool of themselves on live TV, we put up strong feminist campaigners to counter them.

Ihavesomeballs · 20/03/2018 10:35

Has anyone got a link to view on utube? Missed it this morning. Bloody well done though Amy by all accounts!

OohMavis · 20/03/2018 10:47
Collidascope · 20/03/2018 10:56

Nonsense. I am female and don't conform to female gender norms. Never have; never will. That doesn't make me trans. It makes me someone who is myself.

I think that's the point that merrymouse was making. That people like littlejohn believe in the stereotypes of women cleaning house and being nurturing and men not crying and making the money etc. That's why RLJ doesn't like trans people which means he's not on the same wavelength as feminist who want these gender roles abolished.

Ihavesomeballs · 20/03/2018 11:47

Have shared utube video of this on Facebook and Twitter. We need to keep up the pressure, media getting more exposure.

TerfsUp · 20/03/2018 12:20

I think that's the point that merrymouse was making.

I disagree. The point I was making is that one can be gender non-conforming and still be the sex that was determined at the time of conception.

Collidascope · 20/03/2018 12:46

The point I was making is that one can be gender non-conforming and still be the sex that was determined at the time of conception.

I agree but don't see how that renders what merrymouse said nonsense.

Vickxy · 20/03/2018 13:05

Wow, that DM article. Overnight we have gone from TERFS to "feminists, making a legitimate protest" and "trans-fascists" got a mention, along with "transphobia" in scare quotes.

Indeed.

I cannot beolieve a daily mail article is actually agreeing with feminists. Its like ther worlds gone mad tbh.

I am well aware that the daily mail and littlejohn are not 'feminist allies' however, we are on the same side on this topic, although probably for very different reasons. And tbh I am now at the stage where I welcome ANY resistance to this regressive homophobic movement. The tide is turning, and quickly. I am not willing to be whinging about where the resistance is coming from.

I am about as left wing as they come. But on this issue alone, I am apparently far right? Fuck that. Transactivists have done a fine job convincing people that they must support anti-science nonsense else not actually be a leftie. Mind I have never been one for tribalism, and its got me abuse on other topics than this (though I have never ever had as much abuse as on this topic). People seem to think that if you are left wing you must agree with every Labour stance, agree with every guardian article, and such. I do not subscribe to that at all tbh.

TheXXFactor · 20/03/2018 13:21

I hate Littlejohn but, if we had waited for the left-wing media to speak up, the GRA would have been amended by now, and self-ID a reality, without 99.9% of the public having a clue. I'm grateful for anyone raising awareness, though I'm well aware that some of them have dubious motives.

CadyHeron · 20/03/2018 13:25

Agree with Vickxy. I don't think that it's either a left or a right issue, it is something that affects us ALL regardless of political leaning.
Does it really matter whether you "like" him or usually agree with him or not? On this, it seems we all stand together.

CadyHeron · 20/03/2018 13:29

if we had waited for the left-wing media to speak up, the GRA would have been amended by now, and self-ID a reality, without 99.9% of the public having a clue.

Exactly. It seemed to just be hoping to be snuck in, so I'm grateful for all the awareness.
Mentioning it in RL gets blank looks, or outside of Twitter echo chambers etc.
On Facebook there's loads of comments under the Metro article byline "was the Mumsnet protest right?" shows that there is SO much "wtf?" and complete point missing as they're just utterly naive/clueless as to what's going on.Nobody has a clue.
Heartening to see some "get it" though.

nauticant · 20/03/2018 13:36

That's a good article, at least until the point where he stops talking about trans. Not expressed in the terms I'd choose but it's clear and reality based.

I don't care if Littlejohn (who is a shitstain of a man) wrote it. I'd be utterly hypocritical to approve had the same arguments been set out by my favourite feminist but not to approve because they came from Littlejohn.

I've had enough of running facts through a morality filter.

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