Paris Lees just been hugely dissed live on TV

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Ok sounds gossipy but PL is on the Wright Stuff right now and disagreed with Anne whatshername from the chase and Anne just said “you should know you used to be a boy” - huge Awkward silence.

Tbh, I don’t like Anne and her reply to Lees was harsh and unnecessary. I really don’t like PLs either to be clear. It was quite a 😱 moment.

You might all love Anne Hegerty, but she probably wouldn't love anyone on here. She openly follows a men's rights activist and 'Feminist Bullshit' on Twitter, alongside some other UKIP, anti-Muslim type stuff.

"Just in case I need to make it clear - I don't agree with her. I just think she has more right to make a statement on it re her experience of it, than PL does."

Exactly, anything PL says is through observing or imagining, not experience. PL is entitled to say what they think, but it's not coming from lived experience.

You might all love Anne Hegerty, but she probably wouldn't love anyone on here. She openly follows a men's rights activist and 'Feminist Bullshit' on Twitter, alongside some other UKIP, anti-Muslim type stuff. Yes that might be true but however repugnant these views are to you she is allowed to state them.

Yes that might be true but however repugnant these views are to you she is allowed to state them.

I think you misunderstand. I didn't say I found those views repugnant. And of course she should be allowed to state them. But as someone who follows Anne on Twitter I just found it funny to see feminists declaring their love for her. One of her most recent liked tweets states: 'I want nothing to do with Western feminists'.

I can love a fellow autistic woman for getting women with autism into the light, as well as being in awe of her knowledge. Doesn't mean I agree with all of her views.

I'm sure she's more than capable of doing the same.

You should know you used to be a boy I hope that was followed up with "and now you are a man".

Biology matters. It doesn't lie. (Unlike people trying to convince others that transwomen are women).

To be fair those that shout the loudest ARE the extremists most of the time. If she's spending her time on Twitter she is only going to be hearing the loudesy Twitter people.

It reminds me of The Emperor's New Clothes. We're not allowed to say trans women have any knowledge of what it's like to be male, or of male socialisation, but that's not the case for many people.

Lees' story is that she was brought up in a very rough estate and suffered homophobia before transitioning, so maybe her experience of the old boys' network is minimal.

But since she makes her living as a 'trans advocate', it's asking a bit much for people tp pretend she has no experience of being male!

seems a reasonable comment?!

I didn't see the programme and this is off topic but I was wondering if it came up whether Anne is paid the same as her male counterparts?

I think this transphobia business needs to be unpacked a bit.
In the context of this show, I don't know what Anne's motivation for saying what she said was. But the fact remains that Paris Lees DID use to be a boy so, like Jaycee said they should be able to take that sort of comment with grace and move on. Maybe the male socialization PL experienced would give them a better understanding of the oldboysclub that could be shared on air and perhaps that's what Anne meant. Knee jerking about words really doesn't help. This seems to be an incendiary subject right now.

I think if trans and non-trans people could engage in conversation and really move the subject forward so that trans and women's rights could be respected without prejudice that to me would be the ideal outcome.

Miss, it was followed by silence and the producers screaming "dead air, dead air, cut to commercials!" in the SCR

I think what Anne, Germaine Greer and Jenni Murray have got in common is that they're 'old' women and tend to say what they think re the transgender cult.

“I think you misunderstand. I didn't say I found those views repugnant. And of course she should be allowed to state them. But as someone who follows Anne on Twitter I just found it funny to see feminists declaring their love for her. One of her most recent liked tweets states: 'I want nothing to do with Western feminists'.”

I love Anne because she is not restrained by the complexities of Social norms, therefore is happy and comfortable in expressing her opinion, regardless of the new Orwellian tendency towards policing thoughts and opinions. I dont agree with her on everything, and equally I dont specifically define myself as a ‘feminist’, although I do agree with some feminist principles.
None of these positions are mutually exclusive.

Failing to see how relates to feminist chat

Multiple levels, surely?

1. PL is a self proclaimed feminist and "modern suffragette"
2. gender pay gap - effect on women
3. old boys networks - effect on women
4. AH increases visibility of women with autism
5. PL is an prominent transactivist - effect on women

By that logic any thread on here could be whittled down to a feminist chat.

By that logic any thread on here could be whittled down to a feminist chat.

And?

Well, it's generally up to whoever starts the thread where they put it, unless it's blatantly out somewhere to be goady.

Are their other subjects you feel are more deserving?

Oh ffs, put and there
Stupid autocorrect!

Anne Hegarty is only 59! Hardly an old woman!

To be fair, I think “old” was in inverted commas- meaning older feminists. Hope so, anyway!

To be fair, I think “old” was in inverted commas- meaning older feminists. Hope so, anyway! It was meant to be.......... a joke seeing as I'm the same age as Anne. But if it causes offence I'll retract it.