Woman questioned under caution and banned from leaving the country for criticising Mermaids

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www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/tough-millwall-cave-in-to-transgender-bullies-nltnkpv3d

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Meanwhile, a woman who criticised a transgender charity on Twitter has been questioned under caution by police and told she will be arrested if she tries to leave the country. Kellie-Jay Keen- Minshull accused the group Mermaids of “suppressing free speech”.

She had accused Mermaids, which calls for children to be allowed irreversible sex-change treatment the NHS currently prohibits, of “prey[ing]” on gay teenagers and of “mass child abuse”. Mermaids declined to comment.

This made me laugh

mobile.twitter.com/smanningsw/status/972801661759643648

@therealposieparker

There is a woman who has donated who frames herself as a trans-widow.

She has asked to be put in touch with others in her situation.

She may well already be on here, but just in case she isn't, could you put her in touch with the thread linked below.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3101834-trans-widows-escape-committee

Thanks.

thanks xx

I was thinking of contacting this lot. There are separate ones for different areas of the country

www.gov.uk/police-and-crime-commissioners

According to the website you can;

^Contact your police and crime commissioner (PCC) to make a suggestion or a complaint about how your local area is policed.

PCCs are elected to make sure that local police meet the needs of the community. Contact your local PCC about:

how your area is policed
the police budget
the amount of Council Tax charged for the police
the information you get about what the local police are doing^

Was it West Yorkshire Police that went after Posie?

Yes, it is West Yorks Police. They could have referred it to Wilts police, but chose not to - instead they chase Posie across five counties....

I'm guessing you have to be in that area to make a complaint?

But I think there is absolutely a case to be made against WYP for the time and resources taken on this fool's errand. Hotel overnight & travel for 2 officers? Time & resources in tracking down someone on Twitter? Is a test case justified on these particular tweets?

I think a shout out for all those MNetters in W Yorks to raise a complaint on this.

Has the full text of the tweets been published anywhere?

I think a shout out for all those MNetters in W Yorks to raise a complaint on this.

Twitter?

If you follow the unconditional affirmation route, which Mermaids does, you have to be prepared for a challenge.

The end result of transitioning is little to no libido, permanent sterility, prepubescent genitals, or irreversible genital surgery. With all the complications that arise from that.

That outcome, to me, does not correlate with their ethos.

The coming out parties, the cakes, the elevating of a psychological condition, to something high status and aspirational.

The marketing simply does not translate to the reality.

The allure of 'sweets and puppies' is wildly inappropriate to the end result.

Oh ick! The sweets post just made me think of the creepy men trying to pick up children with sweeties. So disgusting!

Just saw on another thread they are using unicorns now too. Using mermaids, unicorns, penguins, puppies, sweets is so dodgy. Anything where you have to 'cute' it up or have incentives (sweets, cakes, puppy cuddles, celebrations) is not able to stand on it's own as being desirable/appealing. Why are people missing this trick?

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I am not on Twitter. Don't have any idea how it works, can some one/everyone tweet a link to this or some other thread?
I am working on a draft email. Will post it tomorrow.

Report serious concerns to the Charity Commission, for example if a charity is:

not doing what it claims to do
losing lots of money
harming people
being used for personal profit or gain
involved in illegal activity

Wonder how the arguments for 'harming people' and 'involved in illegal activity' look at this point ...

But then, of course, only men are actually people - unlike women and children.

I've donated Posie xx

Floof - me too - will get my first ever Twitter account sorted this week - bit like Reddit - never really 'got' it but this issue means I will have to crack on with it.

I wasn't really paying attention but Jeremy Kyle has just done a programme on the emergency services, he did say that the police budget had been cut by 22% in the last 5 years.

I’m keen to donate and help with this but would like to read the content of all the relevant tweets first- has anyone got a link to them?

Can’t we get one of the Spectator slightly gender critical friendly journalists to cover this? I think it’s a major story!

I hate to say this but what about the daily fail ? They’d love this.

No friend to women but he do have an enormous readership ..

I agree I think the daily fail would love this. Two angles, firstly the fact that kids are being given puberty blockers, etc......but they’d really love the second angle of the police wasting so much time on this.

Does anyone have screenshots of the Tweets?

The problem with the Posie case is the child in question is out and about looking very pleased with their self so saying it was a disaster will puzzle people.

The real disaster is the distress of parents etc. that don't want such an extremist CEO shoving this ideology down all kids throats at a vulnerable time. The disaster is how every institution is now shoving it down all our throats without thinking about it properly.

Making a happy looking "model" the evidence is a red herring. The real elephant is the fact that the legislation give a minority control over everyone's rights. That's not an appropriate intention of a law.

The tweets are still
On her account so you just need search her username.

Yes but that’s a lot of tweets to go through! Would be great if Posie herself could link to them or even just post the dates and times. I can’t donate without due diligence.

Even it is has been a “success” it was hardly appropriate behaviour in my view.

It’s illegal here for a reason.

I agree I think the daily fail would love this. Two angles, firstly the fact that kids are being given puberty blockers, etc......but they’d really love the second angle of the police wasting so much time on this.

Throw in a grant of £126k from BBC Children in Need for good measure. I’m very disappointed about that.