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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Woman questioned under caution and banned from leaving the country for criticising Mermaids

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HereComesTheSun1 · 11/03/2018 00:18

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/tough-millwall-cave-in-to-transgender-bullies-nltnkpv3d

Relevant section:

Meanwhile, a woman who criticised a transgender charity on Twitter has been questioned under caution by police and told she will be arrested if she tries to leave the country. Kellie-Jay Keen- Minshull accused the group Mermaids of “suppressing free speech”.

She had accused Mermaids, which calls for children to be allowed irreversible sex-change treatment the NHS currently prohibits, of “prey[ing]” on gay teenagers and of “mass child abuse”. Mermaids declined to comment.

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terryleather · 12/03/2018 14:10

Bankok

Just off the top of my head I think there was pressure in the US to have it removed from the DSM 5 which was successful and for it to be reclassified as a medical condition instead...?

I'm sure Magdalen Berns did a blog post about it on her youtube, but I can't seem to find it now to link to.

DNAnotGRA · 12/03/2018 14:11

This clip of SG CEO of Mermaids says it all: twitter.com/confirmedturf/status/973138680746426368

terryleather · 12/03/2018 14:13

Found it!

Bangkokhilton · 12/03/2018 14:16

For anyone interested in listening to @therealposieparker on LBC today with Nick Ferrari. I've just listened on playback on the LBC app.

Rev Sarah Jones (MTF transsexual): 2:11:20

Dr Nicola Williams, FairPlay for Women: 2:15:40

Kellie (Posie): 2:23:50

Well done @therealposieparker, it can't be easy getting points across under pressure on the radio but you did a brilliant job! Mermaids will be furious Grin

BoreOfWhabylon · 12/03/2018 14:21

Bangkokhilton

I'm not quite sure where I'm going with this line of thinking, it's just that I'm now wary that the people writing for NHS website are being unduly influenced by TRAs...is the NHS website fact based & objective

I share your concerns. You can contact NHS Choices to ask for their evidence base for their transgender pages. I can't do this for professional reasons

You can also complain/query re the inclusion of content from Mermaids.

Editorial policy, contact and complaints process here

www.nhs.uk/aboutNHSChoices/aboutnhschoices/Aboutus/Pages/Editorialpolicy.aspx

Bangkokhilton · 12/03/2018 14:27

Thanks @terryleather and @WooWooSister...trying to get my head around it all. Currently my brain will not compute. Part of the TRA strategy must be to confuse us into submission...

@DNAnotGRA that clip is shocking, how could she laugh about that?! Horrendous.

Tanith · 12/03/2018 14:32

My youngest son was a cat for four years. We’d have to engage in quite detailed role play throughout the day. He definitely identified as a cat.

It was a rabbit with my DD.
Then she wanted to be a mermaid. Perhaps I should have cut off her legs and attached a fishtail...? Hmm

BoreOfWhabylon · 12/03/2018 14:35

PETITION here calling on government to consult with women's groups regarding proposed changes to the GRA.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

Datun · 12/03/2018 14:39

Ugh. That doctor, Spack.

Dicked around with oestrogen three years too early in order to give Jackie a 'normal breast size'.

Then repeats it.

What the fuck is a normal breast size?

Only a man could say that, or even have a fucking opinion on it.

Bangkokhilton · 12/03/2018 14:43

Signed! @BoreOfWhabylon

Melamin · 12/03/2018 14:53

From what I can work out the 'normal breast size' still requires implants. Hmm

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 12/03/2018 14:58

Crowdfunder for Posie here:

www.crowdfunder.co.uk/fighting-for-free-speech-in-uk

BoreOfWhabylon · 12/03/2018 15:07

Thanks for the crowdfunder link. I've just donated.

Datun · 12/03/2018 15:15

Donated.

LoislovesStewie · 12/03/2018 15:20

My adult son told me a few years ago that he wanted to be female, I really can't get my head round it. From what s/he says no-one has challenged what s/he says or checks if there are any underlying health issues. Quite honestly I think if I were to say that I was a rabbit then I would be believed. I want the best for my child but I am so worried about where this will end up and if any happiness will come of it all.Thanks for listening all.

Melamin · 12/03/2018 15:25

Parents want the best for their child. It is a very emotive issue. The narrative takes that and turns it against the parent, with all their talk of suicide statistics etc. You can only do what is best with what you have at the time. Big Hugs ((((()))))

LangCleg · 12/03/2018 15:27

I've donated. I hope Posie gets a good response here.

TERFragetteCity · 12/03/2018 15:28

Donated.

Popchyk · 12/03/2018 15:34

Re: the crowdfunder, be careful about putting your real names in. You might end up on a TRA hit list.

And don't put jokey obviously-fake names in. The TRA will bully the site into refunding those donations.

That's exactly what happened with the Jennifer James Labour AWS crowdfunder.

You can donate anonymously if you choose to.

Efrig · 12/03/2018 15:45

All NHS treatments are supposed to be based on scientific evidence and research. This research is supposed to be conducted properly and backed by peer review.

Flooffloof · 12/03/2018 15:46

Can't donate til pay day but sure will, signed petition.
Am more than happy to hand myself in for thought crimes. preferably with some others but if necessary then alone. Have shared some links on facebook previously that will probably be enough to get me arrested.

My god posie you are one brave woman, I salute you.

Bangkokhilton · 12/03/2018 15:48

Bloody hell I nearly had a heart attack then...I donated anonymously but when I put in a message of support my real name showed up!! Please check yours as it looks like other people's real names are showing up too & they may not realise!

aRespectableBureaudeChange · 12/03/2018 15:50

Could someone clarify:
I'm not signing in via Facebook or sign in with email.

I will choose 'continue as a guest' and it says put full name and email. I will tick anonymous.

Question here : Are you saying that is it this very first stage I put a different name/email or do I put real details there and then further in I have option to put a pseudonym? Is the advice not to link to MN name too?
Thanks

CisPinkHoodie · 12/03/2018 15:51

Private Eye might be interested in this story.

Bangkokhilton · 12/03/2018 15:52

If your real name is there with your comment you just need to edit your profile on crowdfunder so that your username (public) is not the same as your full name (private). I think if you've just set up an account then your username is automatically the same as your full name...