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Woman questioned under caution and banned from leaving the country for criticising Mermaids

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HereComesTheSun1 · 11/03/2018 00:18

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/tough-millwall-cave-in-to-transgender-bullies-nltnkpv3d

Relevant section:

Meanwhile, a woman who criticised a transgender charity on Twitter has been questioned under caution by police and told she will be arrested if she tries to leave the country. Kellie-Jay Keen- Minshull accused the group Mermaids of “suppressing free speech”.

She had accused Mermaids, which calls for children to be allowed irreversible sex-change treatment the NHS currently prohibits, of “prey[ing]” on gay teenagers and of “mass child abuse”. Mermaids declined to comment.

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RedToothBrush · 12/03/2018 08:26

Step into the world of local politics. I honestly think since the decline of the local press to hold to account its become a total cess pit of corruption.

AngryAttackKittens · 12/03/2018 08:32

I keep thinking about the Red Riding series of films and what they had to say about the level of corruption in police/politics in that part of the country.

LangCleg · 12/03/2018 08:32

I love the idea of a mass protest involving presenting at police stations and confessing to thoughtcrime about the nature of human sexual dimorphism!

SisterNotCis · 12/03/2018 08:33

When you receive the most vile & misogynistic tweets do not just shrug them off. RT them to twitter.com/true_vision_hc - account of the National Police Chiefs Council. The true picture needs sharing.

Fairyflaps · 12/03/2018 08:38

According to Mermaids, the GMC (General Medical Council, responsible for overseeing and setting standards for doctors) recommend their website.
twitter.com/Mermaids_Gender/status/963358314858995712

This may or may not be true, but I am writing to the GMC at [email protected] to ask how Mermaids and the actions of their CEO comply with their guidance on protecting children and young people.

Woman questioned under caution and banned from leaving the country for criticising Mermaids
AngryAttackKittens · 12/03/2018 08:38

"I'm here to confess to thinking that people with Y chromosomes and penises are male, and that men can't get pregnant or give birth."

(Holds out hand for cuffs)

TERFragetteCity · 12/03/2018 08:46

I keep thinking about the Red Riding series of films and what they had to say about the level of corruption in police/politics in that part of the country.

The books are worse. David Peace.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Riding

TERFragetteCity · 12/03/2018 08:47

'I am here to state that I think if you cut off a man's testicles and penis, it is castration.'

Fairyflaps · 12/03/2018 08:50

And I am also contacting NHS Choices to ask if they think it is appropriate to promote Mermaids on their website given Mermaids' CEO's well documented abuse of her son, and her deliberate indifference to NHS guidelines.

Not only is Mermaids the top link on their Transgender health page, their website contains an anonymised account of Susie Green and her son's story, with the bits about cross-sex hormones at 14 and genital reassignment surgery on his 16th birthday conveniently missed out. But for those of us who have read or heard Susie Green's story, it is otherwise identical, including playing with the wrong toys:

"When my child Nick was about two, I realised that he wasn't playing with toys that I expected a boy to play with. He was interested in dolls and girly dressing-up clothes".

You can contact NHS Choices about their website via their online webform

There are a lot of us. If we all do this, we can make a difference.

Woman questioned under caution and banned from leaving the country for criticising Mermaids
EmpressOfJurisfiction · 12/03/2018 09:00

I'm imagining the police working through the queue at the House of Commons on Wednesday.

"Do you think that biology has anything to do with being female?"

BoreOfWhabylon · 12/03/2018 09:02

Please, please, please do contact the GMC and NHS Choices and complain.

I can't. I work for the NHS. It would be career suicide to even mildly question, never mind challenge this shite in any way.

So far, I haven't been required to promulgate any of it. If that happens, I have already decided that I will refuse to do so and will, instead, retire.

AngryAttackKittens · 12/03/2018 09:06

Still can't get over the police insisting that sex reassignment surgery for male people doesn't involve castration. Do they think the surgeon just sort of tucks the balls inside or what?

Ereshkigal · 12/03/2018 09:27

Scotland's consultation said bluntly in their impact assessment 'there is not impact on women' and wouldn't even unpick it.

Not quite. They acknowledged there may be, but they felt that all the super feminist strides in women's equality they were making effectively cancelled it out. Or to be more accurate, they'd ticked that equality box already so there was no need to revisit it.

BeyondDeadlySiren · 12/03/2018 09:45

Even if we werent talking about physical castration (which looping off of balls most definitely is), taking cross sex hormones causes chemical castration.

From Merriam-Webster medical dictionary...
"Medical Definition of chemical castration: the administration of a drug (such as medroxyprogesterone acetate) to bring about a marked reduction in the body's production of androgens and especially testosterone"

archery2 · 12/03/2018 09:49

Only caught the end of it but I think therealposieparker was on LBC just now, talking to Nick Ferrari - 9:30am or thereabouts.

BeyondDeadlySiren · 12/03/2018 09:49

Or we can get a smidge more technical with (farlex)...

"func·tion·al cas·tra·tion"
"gonadal atrophy produced by prolonged treatment with sex hormones or gonadotropin-releasing hormone superagonists or antagonists."
"Synonym(s): chemical castration"

BeyondDeadlySiren · 12/03/2018 09:53

Lupron being a GnRH agonist you may have heard of...

tackytriceratops · 12/03/2018 09:53

....And yet we can describe the top part operation that a trans man has to transition as a mastectomy.

#Doublethink

therealposieparker · 12/03/2018 09:54

archery2 Twas I!!

BoreOfWhabylon · 12/03/2018 09:59

archery2. ooh, is there a listen again feature?

Efrig · 12/03/2018 10:00

Still can't get over the police insisting that sex reassignment surgery for male people doesn't involve castration. Do they think the surgeon just sort of tucks the balls inside or what?

Plod isn’t required to think, just to toe the pc party line.

I too will confess to Thought Crime by openly stating that the removal of testicles in gender reassignment is castration.

Also

Surgically mutilating crucial parts of a child’s reproductive system and administering potentially damaging and permanently life changing hormone treatment is abusive.

➿🖕🏼

TruScum · 12/03/2018 10:06

‘Oh god officer, please arrest me. I can’t stop thinking these illegal thoughts...I think I’m a (sob) male. I mean, I’ve got this skirt on and no penis and everything but I still 100% think I have been socialised as and physically remain a biological male.

I even know I have XY chromosomes!!!’ (inarticulate wailing)

Holds out hands.

Datun · 12/03/2018 10:06

Surgically mutilating crucial parts of a child’s reproductive system and administering potentially damaging and permanently life changing hormone treatment is abusive.

Particularly when you tell them aged SIX that it's something they can have when they are older. Like taking the stabilisers off your bike, having a watered-down cider at Christmas, and getting the bus by yourself.

Akire · 12/03/2018 10:06

Just heard you on LBc was disappointed he didn’t take the what you under caution for saying X. He summed it up as disagreement when it’s totally disproportionate to what you said.
I knwo these cases can take years being under caution, police don’t have set time get it going or say no charges. Mean while you have live with it over you and no travelling abroad. Obviously it effect some more than others.

EmpressOfJurisfiction · 12/03/2018 10:10

#IStandWithPosieParker is doing quite nicely on Twitter, appended to brief factual statements about what Susie Green did. Although it would be great to see it trending...