Please help me reply to this defence of "Menstruators"

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Hi. I'm part of a FB group for women suffering with PMDD. I commented on a recent post where "Menstruators" was used. I suggested with a wink, that they meant Women.

This was the reply:
Nope... We had lots of feedback very early on that trans men and non binary sufferers need to be included... It's menstruators or those who menstruate for now. If you can think of something better so let us know. And if not... Then please feel free to step forward and take all the slack we get 😉

I am massively disappointed that this group has fallen for the trans line. Especially as it's one supporting Women with an ultimately Female health problem.

Any suggestions please - I am too

Why would you want to offend or upset another natal woman when you could just use another accurate descriptive term?

Because ‘woman’ is already an accurate descriptive term and it is only offensive to people who feel excluded because, to be blunt, they aren’t women and assign value and meaning to the term that doesn’t exist.

How do you talk to a doctor about not having periods if neither of you can acknowledge that healthy women of reproductive age have periods? How do you talk about the menopause if you can’t acknowledge that it is a process that is unique to women and not the same as being a man who doesn’t have periods because he is male?

But I don't like being called a menstruator. It offends me. Why do TIF's feelings get to play top trumps?

Why would you want to offend or upset another natal woman when you could just use another accurate descriptive term? As I said, fake outrage to persue an agenda. Who else might we accuse of that one?!

Oh dear God. If you think this outrage is fake, you clearly know very little about the ideology in general.

The word woman is a description of reproductive function.

Pretending it means a social category is untrue, and misogynistic.

But you clearly think it's wrong to be outraged by misogyny.

That's your prerogative.

It might also interest you to note that women quite frequently disagree with other women.

Perhaps you didn't realise we are allowed to disagree with other people.

It's not yet forbidden.

What is 'another natal woman'? I am not a natal woman, I am a woman. 'Natal', in this context, is meaningless.

Neither am I a 'menstruator', yet I am a woman.

We have been attacked by the trans ideology for defining ourselves by our biology ("female penis", "not all women have vaginas", "why would you reduce yourself to your biology?") yet are now expected to define ourselves by our biology ("menstruators").

Hypocrisy, much?

“what a lovely bunch of shitters”

I'm not a menstruator, I'm a woman. The word gives me the same nasty taste in my mouth as when I was referred to as a 'breeder'.

You are a doctor in a refugee camp. You want to help women who are pregnant, women who don’t have access to sanitation during their period, women who have just given birth, women who are breastfeeding. How do you do that if you have to pretend that woman is just a vague term that means you identify as something that nobody is willing to define, although it might have something to do with lipstick?

The doctrine that says that women only exist as an identity, not a distinct biological category is very, very offensive indeed, but worse it represents a scientific step backwards.

Also offensive is the attempt to co-opt unisex conditions into a movement that seeks to prioritise binary gender identity over everything else.

Because ‘woman’ is already an accurate descriptive term and it is only offensive to people who feel excluded because, to be blunt, they aren’t women and assign value and meaning to the term that doesn’t exist.

Hang on - transmen aren't biological women? What are they then?

Sorry I’m getting that the word woman means a biological function, and people want to be described as women. Yet the term menstruator is offensive because it reduces us to biological function? Again, real life application, no one is going to start not calling a woman a woman. In this context we’re just talking about using a different word for a specific group about mensuration because it actually makes no difference to someone unless you are unhappy being referred to as a woman. I menstruate, I’m a menstruator, I'm a woman. Essentially that’s the same thing? But not always as some women don’t menstruate. It’s all pretty silly really, but there’s no use in two opposing sides of a debate trying to claim they are the most outraged and offended because you will just go round in circles. I think picking your battles might be sensible.

You could just call it a group for PMDD sufferers.

I'll pick what ever battles I want. And I'm not being called a menstruator as I find it offensive.

My battle is being able to use words properly without reference to an ideology with which I strongly disagree.

I’m also not about to start changing language because it might offend white nationalists.

I don’t believe for one moment that biological women are offended by the concept that having periods is something that only affects women.

I don’t believe for one moment that biological women are offended by the concept that having periods is something that only affects women.

I can see how if someone has got to the point where they hate being seen as a woman so much that they've decided to identify as a transman, their PMDD experience might be worsened by the fact they're forced to identify as a woman to get the help they need.

I'm not saying that their upset trumps any other woman's rights or that a term that's offensive to bio women should be used. However, I'm always being told on here that just because I'm ok with something as a woman, it doesn't mean all women are ok with it, so I think claiming that biological women aren't offended like they're a homogeneous group is unhelpful (and I admit I've been guilty of thinking similar about other issues in the recent past).

I** can see how if someone has got to the point where they hate being seen as a woman so much that they've decided to identify as a transman, their PMDD experience might be worsened by the fact they're forced to identify as a woman to get the help they need.

Surely that is a mental health issue?

Peculiar bold-fail

Surely that is a mental health issue?

Fine, it's a mental health issue. But they're still a biological woman who has an issue with being described as a woman.

And they still need help with a real and debilitating condition.

When I said on another thread that I'm ok about washing my hands next to a transwoman in the toilets, I've been asked 'what about women with MH issues? They might have a problem with it'.

All I'm saying is that to say that no biological woman has an issue with acknowledging that only periods happen to women doesn't account for people who might have an issue with it, MH-related or otherwise.

Also, slight detour, but I can absolutely see why a woman with no MH problems would want to be treated like a man instead of a woman.

That Pop'n'Olly video about Cinderella that was posted on another thread explained it perfectly:

Some trans men will still have periods, it’s offensive to them refer to them as women.

How is it possibly offensive?

Erm. Two posts right after each other.

Its just 'transbashing' for women to be offended by being referred to as menstruators. But its all great and everyone else has to change their language and use a term they find offensive for themselves, because a woman has decided that being called a woman is offensive?

My head hurts.

Transmen with gynae problems (and transmen without) know they are women. Its absolutely ridiculous to redefine everyone else because apparently knowing you are a female person is very offensive.

I think its fucking offensive to transmen for virtue signallers to say that they dont realise that they have female sex organs and womens health issues if they still do.

Especially fucking hard of thinking to say that transpeople who are fine enough with their birth anatomy to not alter it and just "outwardly present" are simultaniously not fine with being told that they still have the anatomy that they themselves choss to keep

Sorry I’m getting that the word woman means a biological function, and people want to be described as women. Yet the term menstruator is offensive because it reduces us to biological function?

Well one is reductive. The other isnt. There you go.

We’re not talking about men who think they can have periods. We’re talking about biological females who have periods who do not wish to be referred to as women

We're not though
In most cases were talking about virtue signallera and male transwomen telling women what THEY think transmen should be feeling

Calling women 'mestruators' is both bonkers and offensive - I am aghast anyone could think it was appropriate or reasonable.

So in that post there is no such thing as a mother

Have i got that right

So in a relationship there is a breastfeeding person and a dad/partner

No breastfeeding person/mother

But dads are ok...dads are fine are they...just not mothers

Have i got that right

I just need to clarify before i go and punch something

And back to the point

Im not a menstruator...im someone who mentruates

AND A MOTHER

Just in case that needs reiterating

Im not a fucking breastfeeding person

I have never in my life chestfed either

My breasts protrude well beyond my chest wall. My BREAST TISSUE made the milk. No cells in my chest cavity were involved in any way

Its fantasy

When I got mastitis my BREAST TISSUE was inflamed.

I did not have a chest infection!!