Talk radio Julia Hartley-Brewer & Lily Madigan

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Painful.

I'm struggling to hear what Madigan is saying.
Is it bad articulation, or being frozen with fear? Either way, it's painful to listen.

@hackmum, madness isn't it? The TRAs seem to make up shit to suit their own ends; and change it when it suits them too; especially the race thing, which I thought was seen as a social construct, which this Kat person actually acknowledges, but then says it's still different to gender and sex (but sex is only a social construct apparently ).

As a side issue, I can't help a wry chuckle at all the Labour supporters expressing shock that a right wing interviewer should be so pro feminist, and so ready to expose the trans cult for what it is.
I'm a feminist who has always been a Tory. I don't think we need all women shortlists on the Right - we're already on our second female Prime Minister! (How many have Labour had? Oh yeah...)
As Thatcher said: "If you want something said, ask a man. If you want something done, ask a woman".
Male dominated Labour talks a good game on equal rights - we prefer action. I won't hold my breath for the first female Labour PM. But I suspect if they ever get one, it will be a trans"woman"!

45% of Labour's MPs are women and 21% of the Conservative's are.

On this particular issue, I don't think either Party's riding high.

Babdoc, Julia Hartley Brewer is no feminist. This is the woman who tells other women to get over it and grow up if they are sexually assaulted in the workplace, and assorted other misogynist rubbish.

'Gender is internal'

Yes, much like a woman's primary sex organs

LM is barking mad, totally deluded and a bit thick. JHB is sensible, and very intelligent, even though I don't really like her politics.

Has anyone seen a member of Corbyn’s close circle or momentum that they have been impressed with on an intellectual level? I’ve yet to find one.

I was idly wondering how you make mincemeat this Christmas and that is a step by step guide. I did enjoy it...

FivePastels: "45% of Labour's MPs are women and 21% of the Conservative's are."

Quite. That's 119 Labour, and 67 Conservative, MPs who are women.

Given that Conservatives have more MPs overall, that's distinctly unimpressive. I wouldn't run around boasting about the Conservatives' commitment to "action" on the issue of female representation just yet.

Comparing the number of years that both parties have spent in power, I don’t think only 2 female PMs is much to shout about, either.

Oh, this was a trainwreck from start to finish!

Putting all the trans issues aside for just a moment, I just really don't think LM is up to the job. Inarticulate, incoherent and unable to construct a reasoned argument on a subject that is core to LM's agenda and politics.

Makes me wonder how bad LM would be on non-core issues. I'm eagerly awaiting to read LM's interviews on anything ranging from trade tariffs to trident come the much threatened run for parliament.

So very, very refreshing to hear a woman interviewer straight out and simply ask those obvious questions. All this issue needs is sunlight. I did admire that JHB managed to restrict herself to one, very slight eye roll at the end, being remarkably polite and tolerant of the utter nonsense of the whole conversation.

The TRAs are great at comparing their cause to the cause of black people, but then argue that you can’t be black simply because you feel black.

JHB also had India Willoughby on a phone-in a few weeks ago. Regarding the rape refuge issue.

She said something along the lines of if a man identifying as a woman insists on being in a rape refuge, he clearly has no affinity with women.

All this you mustn't say transwomen aren't women crap, is water off a duck's back to her.

That clip is GLORIOUS!! Just listened with DH and he said JHB’s “am I a black man?” analogy shows the ideology up for what it is. He’s still laughing in the kitchen.

I assume JHB said that.

Olennaswimple- A FASHION student???!!

I felt quite sorry for Madigan listening to that. I really felt she was out of her depth completely, very exposed in a way that sounded as if she was unused to being tested. And it seemed a shame suddenly that someone so young, with such a very particular and niche view of things, has been thrust into such an unforgiving limelight. It may look at certain moments as if the sea is parting before Madigan and her supporters as it did for Moses; but actually what is happening is a very young, inexperienced, untested person is being put under incredible pressure to personally stake her whole self in defending nonsense, because leftie men feel collectively guilty about the homophobia they uncritically embraced for decades, or rather, centuries. It's that simple.

But before I started to pity her, for a little while I was miffed that someone so young was magically parachuted in to represent women, and by implication, me. I'm 46 and I am a single mother of two children and receive no maintenance. I have fought personal battles she cannot dream of - nothing that will seem unusual to you lot, but things she literally cannot imagine as part of day to day life. Her youth seemed more insulting for a minute there and I stupidly thought "there should be an age limit!" - but then, listen to this. Just listen to this.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/mhairi-black-abuse-swearing-torrent-12142719

That's a real woman. That's a tested, honed, tough, articulate, experienced, brave, fucking-BRILLIANT-at talking woman. Suddenly age doesn't seem to matter any more

Baaaahhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

Oh, that was good.

There has been shameless scrounging for "Cute size 8 clothes" too. Not the "Cute" what is this strange 8 year old persona he has? The fey hair twirling and the hearts and kisses on tweets? It is absolutely bizarre in an adult, who apparently wants to be an MP. And don't get me started on all the "feeling maternal" bollocks.

I saw the title of the link and thought ‘well she is from Glasgow...’ (as am I). I thought it was about her being sweary.

But see the difference between how she handles herself and the abuse and Lily? I think Mhairi is a force of nature - a passionate politician who I would trust to take up an issue and throw everything into it for you. I wouldn’t see Lily bothering unless it was a trans issue that she agreed with, so no, I can’t see them as an MP.

And personally I couldn't give a toss about poor little Madigan. They chose to get into this, they have been nothing but arrogant, selfish, rude and abusive, not to mention delusional and an outright liar. Perfect for politics some might say. Evidently, they will have to learn the hard way.

I would not be surprised if LM ends up being sectioned as an end result. Momentum, Leftie dudes and Labour will not give LM a second thought. Mummy Madigan will be expected to pick up the pieces.

Bloody hell that was a cringefest. Not heard an interview that poor since Diane Abbott's interviews just before the election. Pitiful.

Not a fan of JHB normally but that was really good. That is what happens when you get someone like LM who is not especially bright basically cannot argue his way out of a paper bag. It's harsh, but he has no place in politics because he simply has not got the brains for it. It's all well and good when all your fangirls are fawning over you just because you put on some fishnet stockings, but any hint of challenge and he folds like a pack of cards.

I think people need to keep pushing the link between transgender and transracialism. The more this is done, the more people will see that the self-ID thing is just disgustingly offensive- as offensive as it would be for me to declare myself a black woman and claim to be as much of a black woman as someone who was actually born black. Somehow people can't quite see it when it just applies to women, maybe because they erroneously believe that we now have gender equality, but most people can see how wrong it is for white people to get onto ethnic minority shortlists.