If you think mn is strongly transphobic....

[midgebabe]

I find it very unfair to be accused of transphobia when I am not actually worried about trans people as such. I am worried about how bad men might abuse legislative changes . I am worried about giving bad men more opportunities . About how people might be able to pretend to be trans. I suspect this is a threat to both biological women and trans women.

But trans people arent trying to exist just to take rights away from women. They arent some evil force of misogynists. To claim that they are, as a lot of people on here seem to do IS trans phobic.
I do not know how you can say that with a straight face knowing that government sanctioned transgender advocates are going into the schools and encouraging the use of Lupron, this generations thalidomide. Knowing that abusive males are transitioning in name only to access their prey.
Your response is Not All Men? Not All Trangender males are like that so women must submit? No!

Oh, hello Mr MRA, how you doing?

"Im not sure it is the vast majority of the time. Ive seen some people arguing that it is fine to call a trans woman a man to her face 'because feminism' like its some kind of stand and not just a really horrible upsetting thing to do to someone.
Ive seen that a few times on here actually."

To those men with AGP it's the only right thing to do. Because the alternative, is just as much an insult to women as they claim they perceive it an insult to be called a man.

think it is because MN is required by law and policy to comply with Madigan's claim

No, not law at all. Policy, maybe.

Though I have great difficulty not referring to any male-bodied individual as 'he'. It is the correct pronoun. In such situations I am obliged to use the plural pronoun for its neutrality, even though it is also grammatically incorrect.

It can be hard for people who are not members of the cult to keep up when the police officer or the principle or the boss is genderfluid and the male dominance dance requires them to use a different pronoun for the authority figure on different days.

bishybarnabee

"And I absolutely get that some trans people have behaved appallingly - but there is something about being told you don't have the right to exist which might not bring out the the best in people. "

Do explain. Trans activists say this all the time. How is anyone here telling trans they "don't have the right to exist"?

No law (yet) against "misgendering" (aka correctly sexing).

I will happily call transsexuals like Miranda Yardley, Truscum, Curry and others on here, transwomen I know in RL "she". I do it out of courtesy, because they are nice people, and what they believe inside their heads is no skin off my nose. Just as I address envelopes to my vicar friend "Reverend Friend" even though I do not believe there is a God by whom she is revered.

It will be a cold day in (non-existent) hell before I use female pronouns for the likes of "Davina" Ayrton and "Jessica Winfield".

I have a major problem with those trying to corrupt language to their will.

Several pages on and I still don't give a shiny shit if the new word for feminism is transphobia.

Fin deux.

This is from the Equality Act 2010
Gender reassignment

(1)A person has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment if the person is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the person's sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex.

It is a biological material reality that you can no abracadabra yourself from one sex to the other. Saying that we can clearly see that you are not what you say you are in not the same as saying you do not exist. That would be silly.
We know these men exist because they are screaming death and rape threats at us all day on the internet.

Why did you post that Equality Act passage thebewilderness? Gender reassignment is one of the protected characteristics isn't it, so one of the grounds on which it is unlawful to discriminate (except in certain exceptions)?

I for one will be shouting out how bio females rights are protected under "sex" and I will be telling everyone to enact this, see below

fairplayforwomen.com/equality-act-2010_womens-rights/

We were talking upthread about having posts deleted for misgendering.
I think this line about a person proposing to transgender being equally protected is the reason that MN is being cautious. Possibly overcautious.

Sorry that was in response to Sanderz.

"I have a major problem with those trying to corrupt language to their will."

Me too hacked. I had a mad person threatening me with the police on twitter tonight for transphobia. Smoking their socks obviously; I had not said anything remotely transphobic, but apparently saying sex cannot be changed is, in fact, transphobic.

I am also a Nazi, a bigot and the worst type of person in the world.

It's fairly surreal to have one's politics perceived as having changed from left liberal to a Nazism, based on one issue, but this is life as we know it now

Okay thank you :)

It's absolutely bizarre assigned

I have a major problem with those trying to corrupt language to their will.

Yes Hacked and even more alarming as controled, manipulated and compelled language was enshrined in law in the Third Reich.

histclo.com/essay/war/ww2/tol/ger/gov/rev/hr-lang.html

So shocked that you reported them all and they were deleted?
Trans threads have the least deletions on them out of most of the topics!

Cos you can’t actually argue with biology. No matter what fucking colour your panties are.

Was that to me, happybutpoor? If so, just to clarify that the sort of posts that I report are the "they're all just pervy cocks in frocks" comments which do appear here very very occasionally (and seldom from FWR regulars. And I report both because they breach the "spirit of MN" talk guideline and because they don't help our cause: it only takes one or two of those sorts of comments to be allowed to stand and it enables the TRAs to suggest that everything on here is transphobic bigotry

I don't think I've ever reported misgendering

I’ve not actually heard of any men abusing it apart from perhaps in prison?

Yeah! Well, fuck those vulnerable women in prison, then! Say yes to the 60+ sex-offending men who have declared that they are women, and move them immediately over to women's prisons! Put all these rapists and child abusers in with one of the most vulnerable female populations in the country, in circs where the women will literally be locked in with those abusers and unable to escape! They are only women in prison, after all. Nobody gives a shit about them.

Christ. Listen to yourself.

Women in prison literally cannot leave the space that they're being forced to share with male people. That's what a prison is, a place where your freedom is severely restricted and you have almost zero ability to protect yourself. So, given that, how is a prison of all places a space where we can go "oh, it's only happening there so no biggie"?

Only on pg2, so apologies as I haven't RTFT but had to chirp up...

@Rumpledfaceskin re: As far as I’m aware, social workers and psychologists are wise enough not to let a violent criminal with a penis into a women’s prison

Canadian politicians recently celebrated the progressive move of transferring a TW (w/ fully intact male junk) to the women's prison. THIS PRISONER WAS INCARCERATED FOR MURDERING 19 PEOPLE. Doesn't sound too violent to me

One of the most outrageous things about this effort to strip women of their rights is that so few women have heard about it.
Considering how much the media loves conflict I think we should ask ourselves why is there so little coverage in this the year we are supposedly celebrating the first votes for women?

As far as I’m aware, social workers and psychologists are wise enough not to let a violent criminal with a penis into a women’s prison

It's already happening in the UK.

Paris Green, kicked a man to death over a bag of chips, got moved (with his penis intact) to a women's prison after he declared his intent to transition. Had to be moved again (to another women's prison, ffs) after his sexually predatory behaviour with the women prisoners. It's prison, so there's no way of credibly establishing how much, if any, of the penetrative sex was consensual.

Or the double rapist "Jessica" Wingfield, who also had to be moved from a women's prison after sexually harrassing women prisoners - quelle surprise.

We've got Gary Dean Marie to look forward to. He's currently appearing on a popular UK petition as poor oppressed, vulnerable transwoman Marie Dean, who is being traumatised by being held in a male prison without access to hair straighteners and makeup. Dean has 60+ offences to his name. His speciality is a form of burglary, breaking into teenage girls' bedrooms and wanking into their underwear.

And if you think "well, I'm not going to prison so it's OK" - you'd feel safe at a women's march, no? Cherno Biko is a transwoman who wrote a blog about the rape he'd done to a transman in order to forcibly impregnate. Being totally open (and unrepentant) about being a rapist didn't stop him from being invited onto the stage of the first Washington Women's March as a speaker.

Or how about Andi Dyer, who was lauded by The Independent when he shouted down a rape survivor, Rose McGowan, at the book launch where she was talking about her own rape. Dyer has been known for years as someone who is a sexual predator of very young teenage girls. (I'm talking 12, 13.)

How about Mark "Karen" Jones, a convicted murderer, sex offender and rapist, described by a judge as posing an 'extremely serious risk' to the public, who was recently invited to the House of Lords to address a meeting on how trans people are dealt with in the prison system. Jones - who murdered a man and left his body decomposing in plastic, then gagged a woman before trying to rape her, and who then waved away his crimes as a "cry for help" - is now a motivational speaker on trans issues, god help us all.

Yes, yes, #notalltranswomen. But I could sit here all night typing out examples of transwomen who have committed awful abuses and rapes, and who are not shunned or treated as dreadful outcasts or outliers, but whose violent crimes seem not to matter once they have come out as trans.