Biological SEX MATTERS. How many mumsnetters say "aye" to this campaign?

[SexMatters]

This document and campaign called 'Sex Matters' is a collaborative effort by amazing and knowledgeable mumsnetters on a couple of threads in FWR.

To move forward with the campaign, the organisations and individuals approached will need to know who is behind it, and the honest truth, is that mumsnetters have spearheaded it.

That does not mean that other campaigners can't get involved or even take greater ownership of it. But it needs a bio in order to introduce it to people and organisations to get started and I need your consent to describe the campaign this way: 'mumsnetter led' (and maybe even some suggestions for writing a bio on this thread).

So, you amazing gender-critical mumsnetters, do you say 'aye'?

Aye from me. I am a passionate believer in Let Toys Be Toys and I don't see any conflict in understanding that sex segregation is also important in a patriarchy

Aye

But sex does matter.

Not at all in regards to what toys you play with, clothes you wear or who you love.

But when it comes to victims of domestic violence, rape, being physically weaker and more vulnerable due to pregnancy, biology, fgm,access to abortions and rape clinics it couldn’t matter more.

Hint: Overwhelmingly, staggeringly the majority of victims of the above are of the same sex. XX chromosomes. To ignore that and pretend we are all the same is insanity not equality.

Thanks everyone - and afrikat thanks for coming back to explain even though you have to work!

Aye. Good document.

Aye!

I believe transwomen are women

No I’m not. No one in my support group believes they or I are actually women either. We suffer from a mental disorder characterised by our intense hatred of our own bodies, not a desire to wear heels.

Funnily enough the only ‘trans’ people I see spouting this are usually the same ones proud to post shots of their erect penis in women’s underwear on Twitter.

Aye and thank you, that’s a really impressive document.

A million times aye

The other day I asked a young female relative how she would feel if a biological male was permitted to use the girls changing rooms at school. Her answer was as follows “I wouldn’t like it but I’d feel I had to go along with it”

On behalf of her, her female classmates and of course myself, AYE.

Aye, oui, ci, ja, etc.

Aye

Hang presumably you're a Morrissey fan, going by your username? I can think of far more hateful things he's said than anything in that document.

Aye.

And I don't want to derail, MissyMousey, but I agree with a modified version of your post:

'how sad that you believe the presence of a penis should mean that girls are unsafe. I don't want girls to grow up in a world where we teach them that is the case.'

I think it should be:
'how sad that the presence of a penis should sometimes mean that girls are unsafe. I don't want girls to grow up in a world where that is the case.'

Aye

when it comes to victims of domestic violence, rape, being physically weaker and more vulnerable due to pregnancy, biology, fgm,access to abortions and rape clinics it couldn’t matter more.

Yes, absolutely. That's why I think the talk about a woman's right to have her hair cut by another woman or to not have transwomen attend a book group is a mistake.

Aye

Conflicted.

On the one hand I loathe the trans dogma - 'woman' is not a feeling or a set of behaviour or consumer choices.

Women's lives are to a significant extent determined by their biology and by the way they are treated because they are women.

Transwomen are not women.

But - I feel the word 'segregation' is a bit unfortunate, and won't do us many favours. Think how many people seek to align gender-critical feminism with racism and homophobia already: using this word just gives them another stick to beat us with.

I do believe, passionately, that there should be spaces and opportunities that are just for women. I just think that pushing 'segregation' has unfortunate connotations and sounds as though we believe in separatism not separate spaces in certain situations.

Aye. With one caveat. GNC behaviour is almost never linked with sexual fetish.

Thanks for your points, but GNC behaviour isn't actually mentioned in the doc.

And I also disagree - transvestism, rubber dolling, etc is all about sexual fetish- and transvestism in a very common fetish/paraphelia - I think I might be the most common of all.

Gender dysphoria on the other hand, is extremely rare and since the document isn't about people who identify as trans, it is about biological sex, it would be unrepresentative to push it to the top priority.

Personally I would consider removing that part about sexual fetish and just leave the bit referring to rapists, abusers etc. It risks coming across as 'trans people are pervs' IMO.

Thanks for your comments but, it was raised and thrashed out on another thread and I feel that people unfamiliar with the issues/arguments won't even have trans people on their radar much so aren't so likely to read it that way.

Aye.

Good document that puts the point across well. Women and girls matter, their safety and dignity matter. they have the right to compete with their own sex and be housed with their sex if they go to uni, or prison, or on a course.

Why anyone would want sex segregation removed when it is males who are doing almost all the raping and the killing is beyond me. It isn't just that though, girls are different when they have their own space, that's what made the girls guides important.

Aye

Aye, of course!

But I don't think MNHQ would formally approve it.

Aye.

Aye!

Aye

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