Biological SEX MATTERS. How many mumsnetters say "aye" to this campaign?

[SexMatters]

This document and campaign called 'Sex Matters' is a collaborative effort by amazing and knowledgeable mumsnetters on a couple of threads in FWR.

To move forward with the campaign, the organisations and individuals approached will need to know who is behind it, and the honest truth, is that mumsnetters have spearheaded it.

That does not mean that other campaigners can't get involved or even take greater ownership of it. But it needs a bio in order to introduce it to people and organisations to get started and I need your consent to describe the campaign this way: 'mumsnetter led' (and maybe even some suggestions for writing a bio on this thread).

So, you amazing gender-critical mumsnetters, do you say 'aye'?

Fair enough sexmatters. I didn't realise that there was another thread and that this has already been discussed.

I know that the document doesn't explicitly refer to normal GNC behaviour BTW, but fear that misunderstandings might arise. Anyway, with that caveat I still think it's great.

Aye!
Although I do think LonginesPrime makes a really good point. I would remove the social stuff and beauty salons - even though I do think people ought to be able to meet in single sex groups here too, I don't believe these examples help the argument. Let the really serious points do the talking.

And also aye to a future where none of this stuff is needed.

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seek I understand what you mean about the word 'segregation' - its connotations, but this is the same with all the key language for describing women's rights and issues.

The word 'discrimination' is has negative connotation, but discrimination is actually necessary in some situations.

Even the word 'woman' has become contentious - although the feminist pushback against grouping us as 'ciswomen' and 'transwomen' means that the word woman is still usable without seeming like a far-right extremist. It was a fight though!

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For me the idea of girl scouts sharing a room with a boy isn't even about them necessarily being unsafe. Teenagers have sex. Their hormones are all over the shop. If you put them into a bedroom together at some point you have a high risk of someone getting pregnant. But then there is also of course the fact that some teenage boys do abuse. That's just reality.

And I also support the Let Toys be Toys campaign and don't see a conflict between that and this. Rad fems want gender stereotypes to be broken down. We don't want harmful labels or rules which say certain things are for boys or girls. That's completely different to saying sex matters. Women are oppressed because of their sex and until that stops beind the case, there are some situations where women need protecting. It would be amazing if that wasn't the case.

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Thanks furcoat that would be great.

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Aye. Thank you for doing this.

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(However, I’d rethink the use of the word ‘segregation’ and I’d emphasis the fact that women have these (hard won) safe spaces to address the discrimination that we experience on account of our biology. If you don't have a woman's biology you do not – indeed cannot – experience such discrimination. Therefore removing our safe spaces doesn’t bestow any legitimate or necessary benefit on anyone, it just disadvantages women.)

its an aye from me!

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