Biological SEX MATTERS. How many mumsnetters say "aye" to this campaign?

[SexMatters]

This document and campaign called 'Sex Matters' is a collaborative effort by amazing and knowledgeable mumsnetters on a couple of threads in FWR.

To move forward with the campaign, the organisations and individuals approached will need to know who is behind it, and the honest truth, is that mumsnetters have spearheaded it.

That does not mean that other campaigners can't get involved or even take greater ownership of it. But it needs a bio in order to introduce it to people and organisations to get started and I need your consent to describe the campaign this way: 'mumsnetter led' (and maybe even some suggestions for writing a bio on this thread).

So, you amazing gender-critical mumsnetters, do you say 'aye'?

Aye

Popchyk Thanks for the link about people who identify as female being allowed in Girl Guiding. I realise that some people wont agree, but I 'd say that's a bit different than saying that Girl Guiding has become unisex, which it hasn't.

Aye!

Blue - I think if you started a separate thread in FWR to pick apart whether we should be working to end sex segregation or reinforce it, you would get the decent discussion that you are looking for. I agree it's an interesting issue

Aye!

Aye.

Aye

And thank you

Aye

Nay from me. I’m not going to get into specific points as I’m entitled to have an opinion without justifying it. For me MN is a leisure/relaxing thing and it would no longer be that if I started arguing about emotive topics. (I’ve tried, and read threads by others who’ve tried. It just raises my blood pressure and further entrenches both sides in their opinions.). But since you asked, I wouldn’t be comfortable with presenting this viewpoint as agreed upon by all MNers, or even most MNers depending granular you want to be.

All of that being said, it’s not like you’re using my name, and I don’t exactly shout it from the rooftops that I’m on MN all the bloody time occasionally. I think it’s up to MNHQ to decide if they feel it’s appropriate to espouse a viewpoint on behalf of its members, and up to the members to decide if they want to remain members thereafter.

Thanks parrot

Aye

And big thanks too to all others who say aye!

Aye.

Women and girls have the right to privacy and safety.

@BlueKarou said it way better than I could:

Every time I've seen it discussed it's become a war of the more passionate voices, and there's no room for actual conversation.

This, completely.

Aye.

Aye and thank you!

Sorry, OP - I don't support this either.

I think that conflating the trauma experienced by women accessing rape crisis centres and having your hair cut by a man trivialises the real issues that people might face with self-ID in serious situations.

And as a lesbian, I don't have a problem seeing transwomen in a gay bar or at a book group, and certainly don't feel the need for only same-sex friendships, so this document doesn't represent my views.

Personally, 'sex matters' is the exact opposite of what I've told my children their whole lives and I would hate for any of them to feel confined to certain activities, careers or friendships merely because of their sex.

Aye

Aye. With one caveat. GNC behaviour is almost never linked with sexual fetish.

Personally I would consider removing that part about sexual fetish and just leave the bit referring to rapists, abusers etc. It risks coming across as 'trans people are pervs' IMO.

Otherwise, it's brilliant. Thank you!! Would be wonderful if MNHQ could support it.

Aye, thanks for defending science too. I loved the bit about how the existence of people only having one leg doesn't mean humans aren't a bipedal species. Exactly.

Aye

I was asked to elaborate on my 'no' stance.
I'm at work so don't have time to go into a full explanation of my opposition but in general I hold very different views to most of the frequent posts on this issue. I believe transwomen are women (and vv). I believe in inclusivity and acceptance of trans people in whichever space they identify with.
I do not agree with the order of motivations nor the wording of some of them. To put sexual gratification ahead of gender/body dysmorphia seems provocative and designed to scaremonger. I don't agree that 'dysmorphic people seek to use spaces and facilities designed for the opposite sex' is correct terminology. I believe dysmorphic people seek to use spaces and facilities designed for the sex they identify with.

I have read other threads and links with care and have formed my opinion after extensive reading and research so do not want to enter into a protracted debate (and don't have time anyway) but wanted to provide a bit of clarity on why I would not be supporting this, as requested

Aye
And thank you

To your points parrot I don't think you have to say 'all mumsnetters' or even 'most mumsnetters' agree - a 'significant minority' is enough and I don't think MNHQ would be up for insinuating all their members are of one mind, however they could endorse/support the campaign- since I am sure there was opposition to Let Toys Be Toys and We Believe You, etc.

And biological sex is vital to reproduction and parenthood, so it is a relevant campaign for a parenting site.

Also the campaign is about a right to choose, or for there to be actual options available, rather than a campaign opposing unisex options.